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Touch attack for Evard's Black Tentacles?
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<blockquote data-quote="Jeff Wilder" data-source="post: 2227999" data-attributes="member: 5122"><p>It's not a matter of "casually strolling out." When not grappling with the tentacles, you move at half-speed. (I thought we'd been over this.) Considering the area-of-effect of <em>black tentacles</em>, if you want to get out of the area, there'd better be nothing <em>casual</em> about how you move.</p><p></p><p>The spell states that creatures are affected if they "enter the area of the spell." Twisting this to mean "enter any 5' square affected by the spell, even from within the area of the spell" is just that: twisting. It's an invention that doesn't fit what the spell says. What you're describing is "moving within the area of the spell."</p><p></p><p>This is plain English, and I'm pretty sure you're arguing against it purely for the sake of arguing against it.</p><p></p><p>No, but it explicitly states that all creatures within the area, and all creatures that enter the area, are subject to being grappled. The latter has an explicit trigger condition; the former uses the trigger condition common to pretty much all continuing offense spells: it resolves on the caster's turn. (There's no other condition that allows the spell to function properly.) I'm pretty sure this is an explicit general rule, though I don't know exactly where it is.</p><p></p><p>I'll ask again: what could possibly be more clear than "every creature within the area must make a grapple check" and "any creature that enters the area is immediately attacked"?</p><p></p><p>Anybody can create any interpretation he likes, but there's a difference between an interpretation that follows what the spell explicitly says, and an interpretation that doesn't. The former is valid; the latter is not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jeff Wilder, post: 2227999, member: 5122"] It's not a matter of "casually strolling out." When not grappling with the tentacles, you move at half-speed. (I thought we'd been over this.) Considering the area-of-effect of [i]black tentacles[/i], if you want to get out of the area, there'd better be nothing [i]casual[/i] about how you move. The spell states that creatures are affected if they "enter the area of the spell." Twisting this to mean "enter any 5' square affected by the spell, even from within the area of the spell" is just that: twisting. It's an invention that doesn't fit what the spell says. What you're describing is "moving within the area of the spell." This is plain English, and I'm pretty sure you're arguing against it purely for the sake of arguing against it. No, but it explicitly states that all creatures within the area, and all creatures that enter the area, are subject to being grappled. The latter has an explicit trigger condition; the former uses the trigger condition common to pretty much all continuing offense spells: it resolves on the caster's turn. (There's no other condition that allows the spell to function properly.) I'm pretty sure this is an explicit general rule, though I don't know exactly where it is. I'll ask again: what could possibly be more clear than "every creature within the area must make a grapple check" and "any creature that enters the area is immediately attacked"? Anybody can create any interpretation he likes, but there's a difference between an interpretation that follows what the spell explicitly says, and an interpretation that doesn't. The former is valid; the latter is not. [/QUOTE]
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