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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jeff Wilder" data-source="post: 2232579" data-attributes="member: 5122">Funny, I'd say you don't get it. Nor did I say that was the meaning of your adjudication.This is a common technique you use in your arguments here: you simply ignore what someone writes in favor of what you wish they'd written.Nor have I even tried.  I have, in fact, stated that the spell would be clearer if it did so.  Per your modus operandi, you ignore that in an attempt to discredit an argument never made.What I have instead said is that the spell, while it doesn't state a grapple check is made every turn, it also does not state limits on when a grapple check is made (except for the special case of "immediately" upon someone entering the area of the spell); it does not state that a grapple check is only made when the spell is initially cast.  (As many other spells do.)  It states only under which conditions a grapple check is made, and those conditions are simple: "a creature within the area of the spell."No, I have not, and once again you ignore the fact that I have repeatedly said that I have not.  Your motive in implying that I've made an attempt to illustrate it and failed -- "you have not yet" -- is pretty clear, and, as I said, pretty standard for you. If such a general rules exists, I do not know where to find it, and I'm not interested in combing through every rulebook to find it.  Because:If such a general rule doesn't exist, that doesn't change the spell's clear statement that a grapple check is required when a creature is within the area of the spell.  If a DM wants to rule that the grapple check required should be made on the turn of the affected creature(s), rather than on the caster's turn, I've got no major problem with that.  It would be more consistent to stick to the way it's done for other continuing effects in other spells, but in that respect, the spell is open to interpretation.  (Again, assuming the absence of a general rule for when to resolve continuous effects.)I have proven my case with rules, and I have proven it with the English language.  You have ignored both.As for a "boatload of posters," a "boatload of posters" routinely misunderstands spells.It's not "much different" except that those two spells explicitly limit their continuing effects, depending upon trigger conditions, while black tentacles has a continuing effect with a very simple trigger condition: "a creature within the area of the spell."</blockquote>

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