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<blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 2233460" data-attributes="member: 478"><p>Yes, of course, I do. There is no trigger condition, except the casting of the spell and the "entering the area" given in the spell description.</p><p></p><p>"Being within the area" is not a viable trigger condition, as there is no time interval given when a grapple check would occur (or any mentioning of such a recurring grapple check).</p><p></p><p>As written, if that "being within the area" would be such a trigger condition, it could only apply all the time, so everyone would be automatically grappled (unlimited grapple attacks), unless they would win against a natural 20 with a natural 1.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yep. Or the first one would be redundant. Of course, the second one is quite definitely there, while the existance of the first one is highly suspect.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Or start of the round (there are spells that work like this), or all the time (ok, I know this is silly, but it's what would result from reading it that way <strong>without adding non-existant content</strong>), or whenever else.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What's clear about that? There is not even the slightest hint (other than the duration, which is explained later in the spell description by continued crushing of grappled victims) there, how can you say that it's clear?</p><p></p><p>It's certainly possible to <em>envision</em> the spell that way (and admittedly, this would be a rather natural vision of such a spell effect, apart from the rules), but it's quite clearly <em>not</em>, what the spell description says.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And you don't think that this is a rather strong hint, that there maybe is no "when"? Because this "trigger" simply doesn't exist and the grapple check mentioned is done immeditately when the spell is cast and only then?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, right! Now that makes sense... not! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p>Ok, at least he was fast in answering... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Maybe you should ask him, why it is that way and how he got to that conclusion! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>Tho, I'd really prefer if WotC Customer Service would not answer those questions with their own personal opinion, but rather check in some kind of database or something and if there is no answer to the question yet, ask someone who actually <em>knows</em> the answer and does not have to <em>guess</em>.</p><p></p><p>Bye</p><p>Thanee</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thanee, post: 2233460, member: 478"] Yes, of course, I do. There is no trigger condition, except the casting of the spell and the "entering the area" given in the spell description. "Being within the area" is not a viable trigger condition, as there is no time interval given when a grapple check would occur (or any mentioning of such a recurring grapple check). As written, if that "being within the area" would be such a trigger condition, it could only apply all the time, so everyone would be automatically grappled (unlimited grapple attacks), unless they would win against a natural 20 with a natural 1. Yep. Or the first one would be redundant. Of course, the second one is quite definitely there, while the existance of the first one is highly suspect. Or start of the round (there are spells that work like this), or all the time (ok, I know this is silly, but it's what would result from reading it that way [b]without adding non-existant content[/b]), or whenever else. What's clear about that? There is not even the slightest hint (other than the duration, which is explained later in the spell description by continued crushing of grappled victims) there, how can you say that it's clear? It's certainly possible to [i]envision[/i] the spell that way (and admittedly, this would be a rather natural vision of such a spell effect, apart from the rules), but it's quite clearly [i]not[/i], what the spell description says. And you don't think that this is a rather strong hint, that there maybe is no "when"? Because this "trigger" simply doesn't exist and the grapple check mentioned is done immeditately when the spell is cast and only then? Yeah, right! Now that makes sense... not! :p Ok, at least he was fast in answering... ;) Maybe you should ask him, why it is that way and how he got to that conclusion! :D Tho, I'd really prefer if WotC Customer Service would not answer those questions with their own personal opinion, but rather check in some kind of database or something and if there is no answer to the question yet, ask someone who actually [i]knows[/i] the answer and does not have to [i]guess[/i]. Bye Thanee [/QUOTE]
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