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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sullivan" data-source="post: 2140013" data-attributes="member: 28152">Disarm? Ouch. That's harder to accomplish than a normal Sunder since it basically has the same opposed roll but with an automatic failure if the opponent does damage with the AoO. I'm not trying to grab onto or pull/push the weapon out of his hands? Why should it be harder, I just need to touch instead of 'touch' hard?  Curious why you picked the opponent's AC, if that is what you mean? That's not related at all to normal Sunder weapon or Sunder objects. That AC can include things that don't appear to me to in any substantive way protect the weapon from being hit. Having yourself coated in plate protects the weapon in your hand? What was your reasoning on that?  Ya, and someday the catepillar will be a beautiful butterfly, but not yet. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> Unless they have Uncanny Dodge he has no Dex to AC, nor does he threaten, nor can he make an AoO. My reasoning is that the later two suggests that while it might be an object that has the form of a weapon, he is not yet able to use it as a weapon regarding combat.</blockquote>