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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TYPO5478" data-source="post: 3058777" data-attributes="member: 37531">So the reason is not that it actually makes any sense to do it that way, but that it might be overpowered if we don't?I'm not talking about all attack rolls, just touch attacks.  They don't happen that often, especially in melee.  Touch spells, trip and grapple attacks.  Mages need every advantage they can get (what with crappy BAB and stereotypically low Strength scores), and most characters attempting trips and grapples are probably going to have a higher Strength than Dex anyhow.Why should an incorporeal creature get a bonus to touch attacks from Dex, but a sorceror with an 8 in Strength receive a penalty to the same types of attacks?  That's supposed to be balancing?  Incorporeal creatures already have that going for them; but if Dex is as big a boon as you say it is, they're getting even further ahead by lacking a Strength score.  How does that work out?A nonability in Strength means that a creature "can't exert force."  Why then should being able to exert force have any bearing on accurately touching someone?  Why would being strong make a character better at making contact with something than being nimble?</blockquote>