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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jhulae" data-source="post: 2459705" data-attributes="member: 16958">I'm not going to get into a drawn out discussion, but if you make the touch attack and *hit*, the touch attack hasn't been negated.  The damage has been negated.That being said, if those 3 points were from a spell or magic or whatever else the rule specifies, the rule clearly states that the damage gets through to the creature.If someone found a way to make a touch attack with the dagger, then, just like a *normal* attack, the attack hits, but the damage has been reduced.  Any other effect on the weapon, such as shocking or whatever, would *still* apply (unless the said creature had energy resistances or whatever).I don't often disagree with you, Hyp (and often look to you for clarifications of the rules), but here, I'm going to disagree with your intepretation, and again state that the attack is successful, but a dagger strike (for instance) that did 3 points of damage would not get by DR that it wouldn't normally overcome on a non-touch attack.</blockquote>