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<blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 2459980" data-attributes="member: 2167"><p>"So again - why mention touch attacks, if you're going to treat them exactly the same as melee attacks?" - Hyper</p><p></p><p>Why? Because it is the already existing mechanic for how to roll an attack that bypasses all armor without havig to type out the full 2 sentences of details every time the ability comes up.</p><p></p><p>Touch Attack: “Your opponent’s AC against a touch attack does not include any armor bonus, shield bonus, or natural armor bonus. His size modifier, Dexterity modifier, and deflection bonus (if any) all apply normally.”</p><p></p><p></p><p>I still agree that DR applies normally in this case. It is a weapon attack, not a touch spell, spell-like ability or supernatural attack. The ability states that it allows the thrower to make a Ranged Touch Attack rather than a Normal Attack - this refers to the attack roll itself. It says nothing about becoming a touch spell, spell-like ability, supernatural ability or anything else that automatically bypasses DR, nor does it state any changes to the rules for weapon damage or DR. </p><p></p><p>If the attack were meant to bypass DR, it would specifically state so and be a (Su) or (Sp) ability, not an (Ex). The advantage to the ability is that it uses a Ranged Touch Attack roll rather than a normal attack roll, thus granting the thrower a better chance to hit by removing AC bonuses from armor, shields and natural armor. That is all it does, and does it at a cost of the thrower's bonus STR damage to boot. This is not meant to be an inherently DR bypassing attack. </p><p></p><p>JMHO.YMMV.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Khaalis, post: 2459980, member: 2167"] "So again - why mention touch attacks, if you're going to treat them exactly the same as melee attacks?" - Hyper Why? Because it is the already existing mechanic for how to roll an attack that bypasses all armor without havig to type out the full 2 sentences of details every time the ability comes up. Touch Attack: “Your opponent’s AC against a touch attack does not include any armor bonus, shield bonus, or natural armor bonus. His size modifier, Dexterity modifier, and deflection bonus (if any) all apply normally.” I still agree that DR applies normally in this case. It is a weapon attack, not a touch spell, spell-like ability or supernatural attack. The ability states that it allows the thrower to make a Ranged Touch Attack rather than a Normal Attack - this refers to the attack roll itself. It says nothing about becoming a touch spell, spell-like ability, supernatural ability or anything else that automatically bypasses DR, nor does it state any changes to the rules for weapon damage or DR. If the attack were meant to bypass DR, it would specifically state so and be a (Su) or (Sp) ability, not an (Ex). The advantage to the ability is that it uses a Ranged Touch Attack roll rather than a normal attack roll, thus granting the thrower a better chance to hit by removing AC bonuses from armor, shields and natural armor. That is all it does, and does it at a cost of the thrower's bonus STR damage to boot. This is not meant to be an inherently DR bypassing attack. JMHO.YMMV. [/QUOTE]
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