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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Coredump" data-source="post: 2465554" data-attributes="member: 6939">What makes us assume the wraith's touch ignores the DR? It says it ignores armor, even magic armor. It does *not* say it ignores DR.Now, it says it is a touch attack, *and* says it ignores armor.... surprising that the rules sometimes repeat themselves like that.I could see a DM deciding that it does bypass DR, assuming it is fueled by negative energy, or somesuch. But if it is a physical attack, I see no reason to assume it ignores DR. (And Hyp, you can't use your quote, since this is supposed to prove that quote...circular definitions don't help.)OTOH, this is a good example of why the quote in the DR exists. The wraith passes through the armor, to hit the (armored) werewolf for 3 points of damage. If the quote was *not* included, the werewolf player would say the Con drain didn't work because the damage did not surpass the DR. Since "Hyps quote" is included, it is obvious that the attack is not negated, the damage does not get passed the DR, but the Con drain still goes through.</blockquote>