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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 1189547" data-attributes="member: 114">Interesting conversation!< off at a tangent>apropos of nothing in particular it reminded me of my thoughts for an OGL game (by definition this idea takes it out of strict d20 ballpark) where I redefined attributesBasically I'd haveSiz (kinda merges Str and Con elements). Damage bonus, HP bonus, Fort Save bonus, carrying capacityDex (sorta the same as now, but includes all accuracy things). Attack bonus (ranged AND melee), dodge bonus, Ref save bonus.Int (exactly the same as now)Per Perception (renamed Wisdom). Initiative bonus, key spot and listen skill benefit etc.Cha (basically like now, but has all strength of personality aspects). Will save bonus====I'd like to have a third physical stat, and I might go for Agility (Agl), in which case that would have the defensive Dex stuff such as dodge bonus and Ref save bonus. Existing Dex skills would be divided up between Dex and Agl. Dex could even be renamed "Aim".< /tangent >Cheers</blockquote>