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[TOUCHY SUBJECT] Why all the hate for min-maxing?
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<blockquote data-quote="Tessarael" data-source="post: 1435700" data-attributes="member: 12909"><p>Yes, this is often overlooked. </p><p></p><p>We did a rather interesting poll of characters in the high level campaign I'm in. Generation for abilities was roll 3d6 six times, and assign - if you didn't like the set of rolls, you can generate another set of stats twice, but couldn't go back to an earlier set of rolls. Then +1 to three stats, or +2 to one stat. The campaign started out at 1st level. It's now around 22nd level. Point build values of stats now ranges from about 32 to 45, which is inflated primarily due to deaths of characters with weak stats in my opinion. Now compare a 32 point build to a 45 point build: my Con 10 (12 - 2 racial mod) Elf, could easily buy Con 14 (16 - 2 racial mod), with points to spare ... that's another 40 HP at level 20, and +2 to Fortitude saves. That can have huge impact on survival and simple combat staying power.</p><p></p><p>For precisely that sort of reason, I'd strongly recommend that DMs use point build for stats rather than random stat generation. Either that or be very careful to use some method to balance stats (e.g. you could generate random stats with 3d6, calculate the point cost, and then do some sort of point build from there).</p><p></p><p>Just my thoughts ...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tessarael, post: 1435700, member: 12909"] Yes, this is often overlooked. We did a rather interesting poll of characters in the high level campaign I'm in. Generation for abilities was roll 3d6 six times, and assign - if you didn't like the set of rolls, you can generate another set of stats twice, but couldn't go back to an earlier set of rolls. Then +1 to three stats, or +2 to one stat. The campaign started out at 1st level. It's now around 22nd level. Point build values of stats now ranges from about 32 to 45, which is inflated primarily due to deaths of characters with weak stats in my opinion. Now compare a 32 point build to a 45 point build: my Con 10 (12 - 2 racial mod) Elf, could easily buy Con 14 (16 - 2 racial mod), with points to spare ... that's another 40 HP at level 20, and +2 to Fortitude saves. That can have huge impact on survival and simple combat staying power. For precisely that sort of reason, I'd strongly recommend that DMs use point build for stats rather than random stat generation. Either that or be very careful to use some method to balance stats (e.g. you could generate random stats with 3d6, calculate the point cost, and then do some sort of point build from there). Just my thoughts ... [/QUOTE]
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