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<blockquote data-quote="Junkheap" data-source="post: 1437366" data-attributes="member: 768">Wow, why all the hate.&nbsp; All the players i play with as well as myself are heavy min maxers, tweakers, munchkins, whatever you want to call us.&nbsp; We personally try and outdo each other with ridiculous combinations that ALWAYS get nerfed by wotc in newer books.&nbsp; Most of it, i dont really mind, i am a DM as well, and i find it fun.&nbsp; Right now as a player in a campaign based around some adventure in Dungeon(cithy of cauldron) or something like that, we are all maxed(some of us almost at our full potential and others need a whole lot of imt to get there).&nbsp; We are 7th lvl atm. I have a Pal5/Annointed Knight 1/ Fist of Raziel 1.&nbsp; I will be taking the fist for the entire 10 lvl.&nbsp; I took annointed knight just for the DR.&nbsp; But my character is based soley on not getting hit, and to deal massive damage to evil.&nbsp; My AC right now is 26/27 vs evil, 30/31 with divine shield.&nbsp; Not many things can hit me.&nbsp; But with all our tweaked characters we still got our butts kicked.It all depends on the DM as well.&nbsp; If he can handle it and knows how to appropriately challenge PC's then there is no issue at all.&nbsp; And we discuss and sway each other in making better decisions that would benefit the whole party.&nbsp; Just like playing any sports, you will not pick an average person.&nbsp; You will pick the star of the bunch.&nbsp; He may suck at defense, but his upside to making the big play is definitaly worth it.&nbsp; In our campaign we have Me:&nbsp; The ultra righteous cleanse the depths of abyss paladin as you see above.A fighter/sorcer that is going to be an eldritch knight, with a little spell sword in there.&nbsp; He does more damage than me in melee(gs vs ls), but he doesnt have the defense.A cleric aiming for heirphant.A LG rogue that hates eveil as much as i do and took a xalted feet that increases smite damage from d6 to d8 vs evilA mage that is trying to be an archmage.Most of these are not supertwinked characters, but are extremely good at what they do.&nbsp; Everyone get thier chance at glory and it doesnt ruin the game.&nbsp; The DM just has to be comfortable with the capabilities of what the PC's can do.&nbsp; You could complain about all giants in the book.&nbsp; They are extremely tweaked for massive melee damage, butcher anything, pray that the mage has a glitterdust left fight.&nbsp; Sorry for the long post, but tweaking is the best part of 3e, and it doesnt mean tweakers dont roleplay, they just want to play someone that greatly excels in something.&nbsp; But again, it all depends on the group and what the DM can handle.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Junkheap, post: 1437366, member: 768"] Wow, why all the hate. All the players i play with as well as myself are heavy min maxers, tweakers, munchkins, whatever you want to call us. We personally try and outdo each other with ridiculous combinations that ALWAYS get nerfed by wotc in newer books. Most of it, i dont really mind, i am a DM as well, and i find it fun. Right now as a player in a campaign based around some adventure in Dungeon(cithy of cauldron) or something like that, we are all maxed(some of us almost at our full potential and others need a whole lot of imt to get there). We are 7th lvl atm. I have a Pal5/Annointed Knight 1/ Fist of Raziel 1. I will be taking the fist for the entire 10 lvl. I took annointed knight just for the DR. But my character is based soley on not getting hit, and to deal massive damage to evil. My AC right now is 26/27 vs evil, 30/31 with divine shield. Not many things can hit me. But with all our tweaked characters we still got our butts kicked. It all depends on the DM as well. If he can handle it and knows how to appropriately challenge PC's then there is no issue at all. And we discuss and sway each other in making better decisions that would benefit the whole party. Just like playing any sports, you will not pick an average person. You will pick the star of the bunch. He may suck at defense, but his upside to making the big play is definitaly worth it. In our campaign we have Me: The ultra righteous cleanse the depths of abyss paladin as you see above. A fighter/sorcer that is going to be an eldritch knight, with a little spell sword in there. He does more damage than me in melee(gs vs ls), but he doesnt have the defense. A cleric aiming for heirphant. A LG rogue that hates eveil as much as i do and took a xalted feet that increases smite damage from d6 to d8 vs evil A mage that is trying to be an archmage. Most of these are not supertwinked characters, but are extremely good at what they do. Everyone get thier chance at glory and it doesnt ruin the game. The DM just has to be comfortable with the capabilities of what the PC's can do. You could complain about all giants in the book. They are extremely tweaked for massive melee damage, butcher anything, pray that the mage has a glitterdust left fight. Sorry for the long post, but tweaking is the best part of 3e, and it doesnt mean tweakers dont roleplay, they just want to play someone that greatly excels in something. But again, it all depends on the group and what the DM can handle. [/QUOTE]

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