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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 1437497" data-attributes="member: 9037">That is exactly the conclusion I was coming to as I read this thread and thought about people I have gamed with. That most of the problems (not all) that people have with min/maxers is more how they act when they play rather than the min/maxing itself. Most of the people I play with do a lottle min/maxing and try to make their character as good as they can be and they do this without hurting the game and ruining others fun.Unfortunately I think that min/maxers who are not jerks tend to get painted with the same brush because for some reason a lot of people who have bad habits at the table also tend to be min/maxing munchkins. They seem to be the type of player who wants all the advantages and none of the disadvantages with what ever choice they make for their character.</blockquote>