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<blockquote data-quote="ph0rk" data-source="post: 1439428" data-attributes="member: 16266">The DM needs/needed to rein that in.&nbsp; You can't just take PrC's willy-nilly unless they are core or (in that case) part of the FR setting.&nbsp; I don't have any of the FR books before me, but I remember most of the PrC's in FR required some roleplaying element, indeed many of the better ones from builder books do too.&nbsp; Either the DM made accomodations for the player to meet the rp requirements, or the player cheated.&nbsp; Either way, the DM needs to be on top of that stuff.as for magic items, if you let players select their own magic items they will end up being dramaticaly more powerful than if they get what the loot tables and dice grant them.&nbsp; (they can pick items to enhance strengths and eliminate weaknesses, magic marts and the like throw balance way out of whack)That sounds like you are saying the rules lend themselves to optimization.&nbsp; Is it cheating or isn't it? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />The next time I run a module or two, you can bet I'd rather have players that have read the books than those that haven't. (Does anyone really want players that don't read the books?)It seems like many of the examples people are using to depict the horrors of min-maxing include magic items out of control and PrCs selected without DM supervision.&nbsp; Are these campaigns following all the PrC requirements and wealth by level rules?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ph0rk, post: 1439428, member: 16266"] The DM needs/needed to rein that in. You can't just take PrC's willy-nilly unless they are core or (in that case) part of the FR setting. I don't have any of the FR books before me, but I remember most of the PrC's in FR required some roleplaying element, indeed many of the better ones from builder books do too. Either the DM made accomodations for the player to meet the rp requirements, or the player cheated. Either way, the DM needs to be on top of that stuff. as for magic items, if you let players select their own magic items they will end up being dramaticaly more powerful than if they get what the loot tables and dice grant them. (they can pick items to enhance strengths and eliminate weaknesses, magic marts and the like throw balance way out of whack) That sounds like you are saying the rules lend themselves to optimization. Is it cheating or isn't it? :) The next time I run a module or two, you can bet I'd rather have players that have read the books than those that haven't. (Does anyone really want players that don't read the books?) It seems like many of the examples people are using to depict the horrors of min-maxing include magic items out of control and PrCs selected without DM supervision. Are these campaigns following all the PrC requirements and wealth by level rules? [/QUOTE]

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