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<blockquote data-quote="Cabral" data-source="post: 2723764" data-attributes="member: 1193"><p>LA would have to be reevaluated. dropping a 2hd down to a 1hd with 1 toughness bonus feat won't do anything significant to the LA in the long run. </p><p></p><p>Adding toughness to a high LA, no extra HD races (a +1 LA race, like Aasimars wouldn't merit it, but a +4 LA half-celestial would merit one.) likewise shouldn't affect the LA too much.</p><p></p><p>I couldn't find a straight multiple HD monster with no LA, but I'll go ahead and use the minotaur as an example. The minotaur is a 6HD +2 LA race. The first step is to trade in 5 of those 6 HD for +15 Hp (5 toughness feats). Then, looking at his stats, I'd change his LA to +3 and test it out. If it's a bit overwhelming, I'd tweak the abilities or raise the LA to +4.</p><p></p><p>Assuming no tweaking is needed, the first level minotaur would now have an ECL of 4 and the +15 hp will let him survive higher level attacks but would leave him vulnerable to HD-based attacks and level drain.</p><p></p><p>In the case of races with high LA's AND HD, only one would generate toughness feats. In some cases, I would lower or replace innate abilities. </p><p></p><p>For, example, the nymph casts as a 7th level druid. I would remove many of her special abilities, chalking them up to druid levels and/or spells/items. I would probably keep only Stunning Glance, Uneartly Grace (does not stack with divine grace), and the DR 10/cold iron tweak the mechanics and lower the abilities bonuses to str -2 Dex +4, Con -2, Int +2, Wis +2 and Cha +4 ... with that, I'd say a 1d8 fey with a LA +4. Now, I'd add in one toughness bonus feat and see how it fares... the fey type might cause unexpected problems and I'd have to watch out for Nymph-monks with the Vow of Poverty ...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. It's trend I've noticed on message boards that the longer they've existed, the ruder and less helpful the posters become. Thankfully, EN World's decay rate is slower than most. Nonetheless, if you don't think the question is worthy of a response, you could at least do me the favor of stating <em>why</em>.</p><p></p><p>I am rather dissapointed by the few replies on this, and no replies on my <a href="http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=156096" target="_blank">Shadar-Kai Variant</a>. It's a rather disheartening start to what I had hoped to be a return to EN World.</p><p></p><p>If you'd like to review the quality of my posts prior to my hiatus, try <a href="http://www.google.com/search?as_q=Cabral+&num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=www.enworld.org&as_rights=&safe=off" target="_blank">google</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cabral, post: 2723764, member: 1193"] LA would have to be reevaluated. dropping a 2hd down to a 1hd with 1 toughness bonus feat won't do anything significant to the LA in the long run. Adding toughness to a high LA, no extra HD races (a +1 LA race, like Aasimars wouldn't merit it, but a +4 LA half-celestial would merit one.) likewise shouldn't affect the LA too much. I couldn't find a straight multiple HD monster with no LA, but I'll go ahead and use the minotaur as an example. The minotaur is a 6HD +2 LA race. The first step is to trade in 5 of those 6 HD for +15 Hp (5 toughness feats). Then, looking at his stats, I'd change his LA to +3 and test it out. If it's a bit overwhelming, I'd tweak the abilities or raise the LA to +4. Assuming no tweaking is needed, the first level minotaur would now have an ECL of 4 and the +15 hp will let him survive higher level attacks but would leave him vulnerable to HD-based attacks and level drain. In the case of races with high LA's AND HD, only one would generate toughness feats. In some cases, I would lower or replace innate abilities. For, example, the nymph casts as a 7th level druid. I would remove many of her special abilities, chalking them up to druid levels and/or spells/items. I would probably keep only Stunning Glance, Uneartly Grace (does not stack with divine grace), and the DR 10/cold iron tweak the mechanics and lower the abilities bonuses to str -2 Dex +4, Con -2, Int +2, Wis +2 and Cha +4 ... with that, I'd say a 1d8 fey with a LA +4. Now, I'd add in one toughness bonus feat and see how it fares... the fey type might cause unexpected problems and I'd have to watch out for Nymph-monks with the Vow of Poverty ... Yes. It's trend I've noticed on message boards that the longer they've existed, the ruder and less helpful the posters become. Thankfully, EN World's decay rate is slower than most. Nonetheless, if you don't think the question is worthy of a response, you could at least do me the favor of stating [I]why[/I]. I am rather dissapointed by the few replies on this, and no replies on my [URL=http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=156096]Shadar-Kai Variant[/URL]. It's a rather disheartening start to what I had hoped to be a return to EN World. If you'd like to review the quality of my posts prior to my hiatus, try [URL=http://www.google.com/search?as_q=Cabral+&num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=www.enworld.org&as_rights=&safe=off]google[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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