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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5046024" data-attributes="member: 4937">If they are or aren't, how is it relevant?  I don't see how, "The players are in violation of local legal and social norms and therefore suffer certain consequences.", is really a contridiction of what I said.I interpret this as an attempt to communiciate with the player/reader in the same manner I might use such an example.  I didn't consider it an attempt to claim that the culture of his game world was exactly equivalent to modern America.  Once again, I don't consider "in the real world" to be a synonym for "what I've experienced".  Regardless of what the OP believes, the fact that I don't consider "in the real world" to be a synonym of "what I've experienced in modern America" (speaking of which, I didn't grow up in America and in any event, America is a pretty big place) sufficiently refutes your claim.Then on the holy days of Tempus or when participating in some public marial ritual, I would expect such clerics to wear whatever martial regalia was traditional in the worship of said diety.  That doesn't imply that if you are a cleric of Tempus that you necessarily go around wearing full plate all the time, and the exact situation would depend on the cultural norms of the society.  Back at you.I don't consider the problem to be system specific.  If in a particular system it is now more of a problem than it has been because the game is now so combat focused that you aren't allowed to approach it in any other way, I consider that to be the systems problem.I'm not telling them any such thing.  If a player asked, I would tell them that each role that they took on would carry with it various social benefits and penalities that varied according to the situation and that the undertaking of playing a role carried with it rewards and benefits that could not be described by a list of class abilities.  Thus, there would be times when holding and obviously holding a high social station would be of great benefit, and other times when it might get you killed.  I have no idea what that means.  I'd like to think that my table revolves around playing roles.  I'm not sure what 'revolves around not wearing armor' would be like (maybe a desert or jungle campaign?) but I assure you that the wearing of armor has occured frequently.  I grant you that heavy armor tends not to be terribly popular after a while, but that is mostly because of the fact my adventures tend to occur in very rugged areas (I'm a hiker and member of the national speological society, and so take inspiration from my own experiences on hills or in caves) where heavy armor can be a burden due to the penalties it imposes on skill checks and mobility, and not that you might need to take off your breastplate or cuir boullis in town.  "gas and enslave them via the old classics"??  "already lost the field"?? I'm not sure what you mean there or pretty much anywhere else in that last bit.</blockquote>

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