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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8705492" data-attributes="member: 4937">I'm not sure what your point is.&nbsp; Nothing I said was intended to preclude the presence of actual &quot;toxicity&quot; among fans.&nbsp; I have been stalked on social media.&nbsp; I'm a USMNT fan with opinions that don't reflect those of a particular subcommunity of the fans.&nbsp; I start getting a particular &quot;fan&quot; who recognized me across multiple social media posts and would make a point of responding to my posts in a particularly angry manner.&nbsp;&nbsp; I consider his behavior &quot;toxic&quot; though less because he was stalking me across social media, than the subcommunity he belongs to has a passionate hatred for the USMNT and everything in American soccer while presenting itself as a fan and as such makes the rest of us look bad.&nbsp; I don't have a problem with fans that are critical of the USMNT program of the USSF or who believe that there are problems in the American soccer landscape.&nbsp; I do have a problem with people who seem to lack a sense of proportionately about it and whose opinions appear to be reflexive and not thoughtful (stereotypically they propose that if we did everything like European soccer all our problems would go away as if the two sporting cultures were identical and ideas from one could just be easily exported to the other).But I don't think there is a &quot;growing toxicity&quot;.&nbsp; That's always been a small vocal portion of the community going back to the 1990s or something, that loves never to be happy about things and enjoys criticizing more than they enjoy celebrating.&nbsp; You can tell because they are always unhappy when the team wins.And you know, I don't think there is a problem with deciding that if there is more to criticize than celebrate just leave the community for a time or an indefinite time.&nbsp; Star Trek lost me as a fan long ago.&nbsp; I know longer have any passion for Kirk vs. Picard debates much less any of the &quot;new Trek&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; I just smile when someone says that I'm an idiot for not like &quot;new Trek&quot; because &quot;old Trek was never any good anyway&quot;, because I think that if you are saying something like &quot;Star Trek was never smart&quot; you've outed yourself as the toxic one in the discussion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 8705492, member: 4937"] I'm not sure what your point is. Nothing I said was intended to preclude the presence of actual "toxicity" among fans. I have been stalked on social media. I'm a USMNT fan with opinions that don't reflect those of a particular subcommunity of the fans. I start getting a particular "fan" who recognized me across multiple social media posts and would make a point of responding to my posts in a particularly angry manner. I consider his behavior "toxic" though less because he was stalking me across social media, than the subcommunity he belongs to has a passionate hatred for the USMNT and everything in American soccer while presenting itself as a fan and as such makes the rest of us look bad. I don't have a problem with fans that are critical of the USMNT program of the USSF or who believe that there are problems in the American soccer landscape. I do have a problem with people who seem to lack a sense of proportionately about it and whose opinions appear to be reflexive and not thoughtful (stereotypically they propose that if we did everything like European soccer all our problems would go away as if the two sporting cultures were identical and ideas from one could just be easily exported to the other). But I don't think there is a "growing toxicity". That's always been a small vocal portion of the community going back to the 1990s or something, that loves never to be happy about things and enjoys criticizing more than they enjoy celebrating. You can tell because they are always unhappy when the team wins. And you know, I don't think there is a problem with deciding that if there is more to criticize than celebrate just leave the community for a time or an indefinite time. Star Trek lost me as a fan long ago. I know longer have any passion for Kirk vs. Picard debates much less any of the "new Trek". I just smile when someone says that I'm an idiot for not like "new Trek" because "old Trek was never any good anyway", because I think that if you are saying something like "Star Trek was never smart" you've outed yourself as the toxic one in the discussion. [/QUOTE]

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