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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8705582" data-attributes="member: 4937">[USER=50987]@CleverNickName[/USER]: I largely agree with you and yet at the same time I think you are missing the point.I remember when Spelljammer came out.&nbsp; And most people I knew had exactly the response you just described: &quot;I seriously can't figure it out. Giant hamsters in space? Oozes wearing leather armor? Carnivorous asteroids? It's so removed from what I consider &quot;heroic fantasy&quot; that I can't tell if I'm completely out of touch with the hobby, or everyone is playing an elaborate prank on me.&quot;Now what's wrong with that take?&nbsp; What's wrong with the idea that: &quot;Spelljammer is a problem for me, because if you are printing Spelljammer you aren't printing the heroic fantasy I like, and not only that you are printing Spelljammer you are destroying the brand because this crap isn't going to be popular, doesn't address the needs and wants of most of the existing customer base, and as such you are driving the company to bankruptcy which is a problem for me as a fan.&quot;&nbsp; Is it toxic to say that?&nbsp; Are those complaints actually illegitimate?&nbsp; It's not true that WotC printing products you don't like is zero sum and no harm done.&nbsp; Personally, when I heard they were reprinting Spelljammer as a 5e product, my first thought was, &quot;Wow.&nbsp; So that's the end of 5e, eh?&nbsp; They are so out of ideas for the brand that they are reduced to reprinting Spelljammer?&nbsp; Which of Spelljammer's 10,000 fans convinced them that this was a product that had mass appeal and was the best thing they could put on the production schedule?&quot;&nbsp; It doesn't make me angry.&nbsp; At this point I'm resigned to the idea that WotC doesn't print a lot of books for me.&nbsp; But I don't see how it is toxic to want to be catered to as a customer.&nbsp; Fans want to be in a state where they are holding out their hands going, &quot;TAKE MY MONEY!&quot;&nbsp; That's happiness for them.&nbsp; You'd think that brand owners would want that too.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 8705582, member: 4937"] [USER=50987]@CleverNickName[/USER]: I largely agree with you and yet at the same time I think you are missing the point. I remember when Spelljammer came out. And most people I knew had exactly the response you just described: "I seriously can't figure it out. Giant hamsters in space? Oozes wearing leather armor? Carnivorous asteroids? It's so removed from what I consider "heroic fantasy" that I can't tell if I'm completely out of touch with the hobby, or everyone is playing an elaborate prank on me." Now what's wrong with that take? What's wrong with the idea that: "Spelljammer is a problem for me, because if you are printing Spelljammer you aren't printing the heroic fantasy I like, and not only that you are printing Spelljammer you are destroying the brand because this crap isn't going to be popular, doesn't address the needs and wants of most of the existing customer base, and as such you are driving the company to bankruptcy which is a problem for me as a fan." Is it toxic to say that? Are those complaints actually illegitimate? It's not true that WotC printing products you don't like is zero sum and no harm done. Personally, when I heard they were reprinting Spelljammer as a 5e product, my first thought was, "Wow. So that's the end of 5e, eh? They are so out of ideas for the brand that they are reduced to reprinting Spelljammer? Which of Spelljammer's 10,000 fans convinced them that this was a product that had mass appeal and was the best thing they could put on the production schedule?" It doesn't make me angry. At this point I'm resigned to the idea that WotC doesn't print a lot of books for me. But I don't see how it is toxic to want to be catered to as a customer. Fans want to be in a state where they are holding out their hands going, "TAKE MY MONEY!" That's happiness for them. You'd think that brand owners would want that too. [/QUOTE]

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