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<blockquote data-quote="BB Shockwave" data-source="post: 8707755" data-attributes="member: 6799257"><p>I think it is generally a bad idea to generalize people, and that starts with calling things "toxic", a stupid buzzword invented only recently that really needs to die out soon. Y'd think a DM would know that toxicity primarily is used to describe the potency of the type of poison the traps you place on the map have. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue :P" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /> Not for some "oh someone hurt my fee-fees" nonsense.</p><p></p><p>And were you never in ANY fandom before? Why would you assume any fandom is united? Trekkies are divided by TOS fans and those who like TNG and beyond, and then they sometimes agree to hate Enterprise or the new shows together. </p><p>Star Wars fans were divided even before the prequels by who accepted what part of the books and other expanded universe. </p><p>And Transformers fans (which I have been since I was a kid) were divided on so many fronts - there was cartoon vs comic first, Primus not Quints, then came Beast Wars that was Trukk not Munkey time, then the anime shows happened and it was "Pokeformers" everyone hated, then came the Michael Bay movies bringing in so many new fans who only vaguely recalled the G1 show and thought Bumblebee pissing on people and Optimus Prime chopping off heads was the bee's knees... and so on.</p><p>No fandom is united, ever. It's like religion really, there always comes a schizm sooner or later and then people go every which way. </p><p>Even so, people in a fandom can still talk to each other in a civilized way and not insult others, and have a normal dialogue. Those who cannot will sooner or later will get themselves banned from everywhere. </p><p>But calling everyone who has a differing opinion "toxic" like they were a venom-spewing Yuan-Ti does not help things. It just makes people argue even more. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Pretty sad if that's the only reason people know D&D from. About as sad as all the fake nerds who started collecting Funko Pop after watching Big Bang Theory because they thought that's what nerds do.</p><p>And you needed this to be able to wear a D&D shirt openly? I used to go to the university in my Baldur's Gate II shirt, heh. I long ago embraced that I am a nerd, and D&D to me never had any stigma that'd make me afraid to admit I play it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd wager Simon Pegg never had to endure harassment since he was a wee lad, dude. </p><p>I doubt that he posts on message boards under his own name or that people run into him on the streets and beat him up because they think he did not play Scotty properly in Star Trek. It always amuses me when super rich actors and producers start to talk about these "issues" that they themselves will never, ever experience.</p><p>You know who DID experience hatred from pretty much the whole internet - deservedly so? Uwe Boll. And how he did deal with it? Laughed in their faces because he got his money from Germany to make movies, anyway. And he also challenged his critics to a boxing match, and those who naively thought this was just a publicity stunt and showed up, well he beat the **** out of them. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p>If anyone could write articles about "toxic" fandoms (why not just say, aggressive, hateful, etc? why this stupid need to reinvent the meaning of words) it should be Boll, not Pegg.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BB Shockwave, post: 8707755, member: 6799257"] I think it is generally a bad idea to generalize people, and that starts with calling things "toxic", a stupid buzzword invented only recently that really needs to die out soon. Y'd think a DM would know that toxicity primarily is used to describe the potency of the type of poison the traps you place on the map have. :P Not for some "oh someone hurt my fee-fees" nonsense. And were you never in ANY fandom before? Why would you assume any fandom is united? Trekkies are divided by TOS fans and those who like TNG and beyond, and then they sometimes agree to hate Enterprise or the new shows together. Star Wars fans were divided even before the prequels by who accepted what part of the books and other expanded universe. And Transformers fans (which I have been since I was a kid) were divided on so many fronts - there was cartoon vs comic first, Primus not Quints, then came Beast Wars that was Trukk not Munkey time, then the anime shows happened and it was "Pokeformers" everyone hated, then came the Michael Bay movies bringing in so many new fans who only vaguely recalled the G1 show and thought Bumblebee pissing on people and Optimus Prime chopping off heads was the bee's knees... and so on. No fandom is united, ever. It's like religion really, there always comes a schizm sooner or later and then people go every which way. Even so, people in a fandom can still talk to each other in a civilized way and not insult others, and have a normal dialogue. Those who cannot will sooner or later will get themselves banned from everywhere. But calling everyone who has a differing opinion "toxic" like they were a venom-spewing Yuan-Ti does not help things. It just makes people argue even more. Pretty sad if that's the only reason people know D&D from. About as sad as all the fake nerds who started collecting Funko Pop after watching Big Bang Theory because they thought that's what nerds do. And you needed this to be able to wear a D&D shirt openly? I used to go to the university in my Baldur's Gate II shirt, heh. I long ago embraced that I am a nerd, and D&D to me never had any stigma that'd make me afraid to admit I play it. I'd wager Simon Pegg never had to endure harassment since he was a wee lad, dude. I doubt that he posts on message boards under his own name or that people run into him on the streets and beat him up because they think he did not play Scotty properly in Star Trek. It always amuses me when super rich actors and producers start to talk about these "issues" that they themselves will never, ever experience. You know who DID experience hatred from pretty much the whole internet - deservedly so? Uwe Boll. And how he did deal with it? Laughed in their faces because he got his money from Germany to make movies, anyway. And he also challenged his critics to a boxing match, and those who naively thought this was just a publicity stunt and showed up, well he beat the **** out of them. :D If anyone could write articles about "toxic" fandoms (why not just say, aggressive, hateful, etc? why this stupid need to reinvent the meaning of words) it should be Boll, not Pegg. [/QUOTE]
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