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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8708130" data-attributes="member: 4937">No, let me be very clear here.&nbsp; I am saying you did and you did.&nbsp; &quot;Joe is an idiot&quot; is not an ad hominem attack.&nbsp; &quot;Joe is an idiot&quot; is merely an insult.&nbsp; Read your own definitions.&nbsp; &quot;Joe's argument is wrong, because Joe is an idiot&quot; is an ad hominem attack.&nbsp; And you post is very much of that character.And no I don't see the irony.&nbsp; Because I don't necessarily find mocking of positions to be uncivil.&nbsp; I think the community of people that have adopted fault finding, puritanical, outrage as a culture very much do get taken with more seriousness than they deserve.&nbsp; They are hijacking legitimate subjects of legitimate concern and deploying that as a cover to promote strategies for dealing with those issues that are problematic and destructive and thereby preventing more serious and helpful dialogues from occurring.&nbsp; And humor has a role in that.&nbsp; That his gentle mockery would be enough to offend someone strikes me as ridiculous as if some of the maybe less gentle mockery of Vegans caused some Vegan on the board to start complaining about how mean everyone was.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 8708130, member: 4937"] No, let me be very clear here. I am saying you did and you did. "Joe is an idiot" is not an ad hominem attack. "Joe is an idiot" is merely an insult. Read your own definitions. "Joe's argument is wrong, because Joe is an idiot" is an ad hominem attack. And you post is very much of that character. And no I don't see the irony. Because I don't necessarily find mocking of positions to be uncivil. I think the community of people that have adopted fault finding, puritanical, outrage as a culture very much do get taken with more seriousness than they deserve. They are hijacking legitimate subjects of legitimate concern and deploying that as a cover to promote strategies for dealing with those issues that are problematic and destructive and thereby preventing more serious and helpful dialogues from occurring. And humor has a role in that. That his gentle mockery would be enough to offend someone strikes me as ridiculous as if some of the maybe less gentle mockery of Vegans caused some Vegan on the board to start complaining about how mean everyone was. [/QUOTE]

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