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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8708706" data-attributes="member: 22779">See, now here't the thing.This is a movie that is well received, got pretty decent reviews and is generally held up as a pretty decent movie.&nbsp; Is it the greatest movie ever made?&nbsp; Probably not but no one, I don't think, is claiming that it is.But, &quot;I found The Joker to be literally the very most derivative and least original movie I have ever seen in my entire life, including actual parodies of other movies! I did not know that level of &quot;derivative and no new ideas&quot; could even exist. It could have been spewed out of an AI like Dall-E, just by someone referencing Martin Scorsese movies and typing &quot;The Joker set in 1970s New York&quot;.&quot;is perhaps just a tad bit hyperbolic?&nbsp; I mean, just a smidgeon over the top of a reaction?&nbsp; Which is fine.&nbsp; There's nothing wrong with feeling passionate about it.&nbsp; And, kudos for not being insulting or particularly attacking anyone for having a different opinion. This is passionate without being toxic.&nbsp; Which, frankly, is never really the problem.&nbsp; Where it becomes a problem, and becomes toxic (and no, [USER=18]@Ruin Explorer[/USER] I am in no way pointing any sort of finger at you in any way, I'm just using you as a springboard for my own point) is when any discussion turns personal.&nbsp; It's no longer enough to say, &quot;I don't like this movie.&nbsp; I think it's unoriginal&quot; but takes that next step of &quot;if you were smart/educated/right thing enough, you would of course agree with me and anyone who doesn't agree with me is obviously too stupid to understand&quot;.(Again, [USER=18]@Ruin Explorer[/USER], just to be 100% clear, you DID NOT do that at all.)So, the point about toxicity being a behavior is well made.&nbsp; And, as a forumite of a long time, I can honestly say that it's often pretty clear when that line gets stepped over.&nbsp; The mods are pretty quick when it becomes PERSONAL.&nbsp; And absolutely rightfully so.&nbsp; If you can make your point without ever becoming personal, things go so much better.&nbsp; But, as soon as you (the royal you, as in the person) step over that line, and now it becomes personal, in both directions, nothing good will come of it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8708706, member: 22779"] See, now here't the thing. This is a movie that is well received, got pretty decent reviews and is generally held up as a pretty decent movie. Is it the greatest movie ever made? Probably not but no one, I don't think, is claiming that it is. But, "I found The Joker to be literally the very [I]most[/I] derivative and least original movie I have ever seen in my entire life, including actual parodies of other movies! I did not know that level of "derivative and no new ideas" could even exist. It could have been spewed out of an AI like Dall-E, just by someone referencing Martin Scorsese movies and typing "The Joker set in 1970s New York"." is perhaps just a tad bit hyperbolic? I mean, just a smidgeon over the top of a reaction? Which is fine. There's nothing wrong with feeling passionate about it. And, kudos for not being insulting or particularly attacking anyone for having a different opinion. This is passionate without being toxic. Which, frankly, is never really the problem. Where it becomes a problem, and becomes toxic (and no, [USER=18]@Ruin Explorer[/USER] I am in no way pointing any sort of finger at you in any way, I'm just using you as a springboard for my own point) is when any discussion turns personal. It's no longer enough to say, "I don't like this movie. I think it's unoriginal" but takes that next step of "if you were smart/educated/right thing enough, you would of course agree with me and anyone who doesn't agree with me is obviously too stupid to understand". (Again, [USER=18]@Ruin Explorer[/USER], just to be 100% clear, you DID NOT do that at all.) So, the point about toxicity being a behavior is well made. And, as a forumite of a long time, I can honestly say that it's often pretty clear when that line gets stepped over. The mods are pretty quick when it becomes PERSONAL. And absolutely rightfully so. If you can make your point without ever becoming personal, things go so much better. But, as soon as you (the royal you, as in the person) step over that line, and now it becomes personal, in both directions, nothing good will come of it. [/QUOTE]

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