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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8708753" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I felt like the movie had quite a few issues which dragged it way down:</p><p></p><p>1) I'm a comics fan, so I'm used to Evil Wanda, but in the comics, her Evil persona is an amplification of her normal one. She's normally a little cruel, proud, and capricious in the comics even as a "good guy", so when she's Evil and that's magnified that works. Whereas MCU Wanda is none of those things. She's kindly, humble, and steady. Yeah she gets upset and aggressively defends her kids, but it doesn't change that. Even in WandaVision, her extreme cruelty to the people of the town is only possible because she blinds herself to it, and it's not intentionally nasty, it's just what's required for her fantasy to hold. Whereas the Evil Wanda we got here was very like comics Evil Wanda, but that doesn't make any sense, because MCU Evil Wanda shouldn't be pompous windbag like Thanos, nor cruel/sneering in a cat-like "play with your victims" kind of way, but she is.</p><p></p><p>So I feel like the writers really just didn't manage to land that. They made the assumption that if you turn Evil you automagically become a windbag and deliberately cruel (which she wasn't at all times, but often), which just felt like they hadn't earned, imho. You see this an absolute ton in mediocre-bad writing involving Evil Magic. World of Warcraft is particularly a serial offender here.</p><p></p><p>Olson's performance was better than ever, and she's already good, so there was that, but she couldn't save bad writing for me.</p><p></p><p>2) The story was just meaningless and didn't go anywhere or have anything to say. Just meandering multiverse nonsense that was like a bad episode of modern Doctor Who. It felt like it was setting a ton up and showing a lot of stuff but, there was little to care about. There was a lot about Dr Strange's history and personality (particularly via alternate versions), but none of it really told us anything we didn't know and it didn't move his character arc along.</p><p></p><p>3) Talking of Dr Strange, Cumberbatch's portrayal of Strange in this and No Way Home, together with how he's being written, makes him seem just capricious and even a bit stoned (like a lot stoned) rather than mystical and brilliant as he appeared in the original Strange movie and Avengers movies. It wasn't working for me.</p><p></p><p>Eh, I could go on but it feels like too much for what was a shallow, joke-y-but-not-funny movie that just wasn't very engaging. The best things about it were Olson's performance and a couple of the action set-pieces (but some of the other ones were just dull, including most of the temple fight, which must have eaten like 25% of the movie's budget).</p><p></p><p>As for Eternals, the movie just gave no reasons to give a single solitary shake of a lamb's tail about any of the characters. And when you have a huge world-shaking epic like that, that's pretty bad, because that's what you're relying on. I think it's telling that it ends with a huge alternation to the globe, that would recontextualize humanity's understanding of the Earth and indeed the universe, and yet every MCU movie and show canonically set afterwards has just acted like it didn't happen. I feel like the rug had been lifted and the brush is rapidly approaching for this one (which, I admit, I predicted as soon as an Eternals movie was announced but...).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8708753, member: 18"] I felt like the movie had quite a few issues which dragged it way down: 1) I'm a comics fan, so I'm used to Evil Wanda, but in the comics, her Evil persona is an amplification of her normal one. She's normally a little cruel, proud, and capricious in the comics even as a "good guy", so when she's Evil and that's magnified that works. Whereas MCU Wanda is none of those things. She's kindly, humble, and steady. Yeah she gets upset and aggressively defends her kids, but it doesn't change that. Even in WandaVision, her extreme cruelty to the people of the town is only possible because she blinds herself to it, and it's not intentionally nasty, it's just what's required for her fantasy to hold. Whereas the Evil Wanda we got here was very like comics Evil Wanda, but that doesn't make any sense, because MCU Evil Wanda shouldn't be pompous windbag like Thanos, nor cruel/sneering in a cat-like "play with your victims" kind of way, but she is. So I feel like the writers really just didn't manage to land that. They made the assumption that if you turn Evil you automagically become a windbag and deliberately cruel (which she wasn't at all times, but often), which just felt like they hadn't earned, imho. You see this an absolute ton in mediocre-bad writing involving Evil Magic. World of Warcraft is particularly a serial offender here. Olson's performance was better than ever, and she's already good, so there was that, but she couldn't save bad writing for me. 2) The story was just meaningless and didn't go anywhere or have anything to say. Just meandering multiverse nonsense that was like a bad episode of modern Doctor Who. It felt like it was setting a ton up and showing a lot of stuff but, there was little to care about. There was a lot about Dr Strange's history and personality (particularly via alternate versions), but none of it really told us anything we didn't know and it didn't move his character arc along. 3) Talking of Dr Strange, Cumberbatch's portrayal of Strange in this and No Way Home, together with how he's being written, makes him seem just capricious and even a bit stoned (like a lot stoned) rather than mystical and brilliant as he appeared in the original Strange movie and Avengers movies. It wasn't working for me. Eh, I could go on but it feels like too much for what was a shallow, joke-y-but-not-funny movie that just wasn't very engaging. The best things about it were Olson's performance and a couple of the action set-pieces (but some of the other ones were just dull, including most of the temple fight, which must have eaten like 25% of the movie's budget). As for Eternals, the movie just gave no reasons to give a single solitary shake of a lamb's tail about any of the characters. And when you have a huge world-shaking epic like that, that's pretty bad, because that's what you're relying on. I think it's telling that it ends with a huge alternation to the globe, that would recontextualize humanity's understanding of the Earth and indeed the universe, and yet every MCU movie and show canonically set afterwards has just acted like it didn't happen. I feel like the rug had been lifted and the brush is rapidly approaching for this one (which, I admit, I predicted as soon as an Eternals movie was announced but...). [/QUOTE]
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