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<blockquote data-quote="mythago" data-source="post: 8714785" data-attributes="member: 3019">Well, wait, you just contradicted yourself. If the hobby was not always welcoming to &quot;some&quot; - and &quot;women, POC, LGBTQA+, etc.&quot; is a pretty big group of '&quot;some&quot; - then it really wasn't welcoming to &quot;people that were considered outcasts at the time&quot;. It was welcoming to a subset of those people. Which, less euphemistically, means a bunch of straight white dudes decided that the TTRPG community was not so much a place to pretend to be wizards, as a community where the same bullying and gatekeeping would exist except that they'd be the ones on top.I don't think this is entirely accurate - in that, as you say, &quot;geek culture&quot; was weird and niche back in the day, and so a lot of that exclusion and outsider-status came from being into TTRPGs.But that aside, yes, it absolutely does mean that we carry that baggage in the hobby today. Especially because a lot of people in TTRPGs today were around back then. We're not talking about the ancient and long-forgotten practices of our ancestors.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mythago, post: 8714785, member: 3019"] Well, wait, you just contradicted yourself. If the hobby was not always welcoming to "some" - and "women, POC, LGBTQA+, etc." is a pretty big group of '"some" - then it really wasn't welcoming to "people that were considered outcasts at the time". It was welcoming to a subset of those people. Which, less euphemistically, means a bunch of straight white dudes decided that the TTRPG community was not so much a place to pretend to be wizards, as a community where the same bullying and gatekeeping would exist except that they'd be the ones on top. I don't think this is entirely accurate - in that, as you say, "geek culture" was weird and niche back in the day, and so a lot of that exclusion and outsider-status came [I]from [/I]being into TTRPGs. But that aside, yes, it absolutely does mean that we carry that baggage in the hobby today. Especially because a lot of people in TTRPGs today [I]were around back then[/I]. We're not talking about the ancient and long-forgotten practices of our ancestors. [/QUOTE]

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