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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8714832" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>McWhorter is an out-of-date pundit, who gets wheeled out by the right, because he blames Black attitudes, not racism for Black poverty (though he is inconsistent on this and has socialist views that the right tends to be careful to avoid getting him to express). He's not some sort of great thinker or figure we should all be listening to. He's had nothing new to say since the 1990s, even though I'm guess he's "new to you". And to be fair to him, back he wasn't out of touch, like, 30 years ago, people absolutely did use "woke" to describe themselves. But that was 30 years ago. I'm getting the feeling I'm vastly more familiar with him than you.</p><p></p><p>The idea that someone under 40 is using "woke" to describe themselves and then as a "bludgeon" (i.e. "I'm woke, you're not") is truly ridiculous/laughable. It's just funny, it's not even like, angering. There's plenty of silly conflict that goes on without inventing imaginary silly conflicts (something also done by the left, I note) to pile on top of those. McWhorter is replaying something from his college days as if it were relevant now.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Except my scenario does hold, because it plays out all the time. People constantly assert that someone saying what they said was racist is calling them a racist. A lot of people are simply unable to process the difference between "What you're saying is racist" and "You're a racist". People dear to me have this problem even, even calling themselves racists when they're not actually racist, just repeating views that are racist.</p><p></p><p>And even in the alternative, if it's alright for you to go around labelling people "woke" and claiming they're "bludgeoning" people without actually having talked to them (and you doing exactly that - you're making some pretty sweeping assertions), then is it actually wrong to call people who insist on repeating racism, racist? It's an oversimplification, but not a grotesque one.</p><p></p><p>I mean, I'd say it was (in the "incorrect" rather than "immoral" sense), but I'm definitely in the minority here, and that's not a left-right thing. Most people are totally happy to label people based on what they're saying, without proper discussion. Trying to pretend that's "just the left" is really silly shenanigans.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8714832, member: 18"] McWhorter is an out-of-date pundit, who gets wheeled out by the right, because he blames Black attitudes, not racism for Black poverty (though he is inconsistent on this and has socialist views that the right tends to be careful to avoid getting him to express). He's not some sort of great thinker or figure we should all be listening to. He's had nothing new to say since the 1990s, even though I'm guess he's "new to you". And to be fair to him, back he wasn't out of touch, like, 30 years ago, people absolutely did use "woke" to describe themselves. But that was 30 years ago. I'm getting the feeling I'm vastly more familiar with him than you. The idea that someone under 40 is using "woke" to describe themselves and then as a "bludgeon" (i.e. "I'm woke, you're not") is truly ridiculous/laughable. It's just funny, it's not even like, angering. There's plenty of silly conflict that goes on without inventing imaginary silly conflicts (something also done by the left, I note) to pile on top of those. McWhorter is replaying something from his college days as if it were relevant now. Except my scenario does hold, because it plays out all the time. People constantly assert that someone saying what they said was racist is calling them a racist. A lot of people are simply unable to process the difference between "What you're saying is racist" and "You're a racist". People dear to me have this problem even, even calling themselves racists when they're not actually racist, just repeating views that are racist. And even in the alternative, if it's alright for you to go around labelling people "woke" and claiming they're "bludgeoning" people without actually having talked to them (and you doing exactly that - you're making some pretty sweeping assertions), then is it actually wrong to call people who insist on repeating racism, racist? It's an oversimplification, but not a grotesque one. I mean, I'd say it was (in the "incorrect" rather than "immoral" sense), but I'm definitely in the minority here, and that's not a left-right thing. Most people are totally happy to label people based on what they're saying, without proper discussion. Trying to pretend that's "just the left" is really silly shenanigans. [/QUOTE]
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