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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 6146202" data-attributes="member: 22424">According to the 3.5e DMG, it is recommended that 5% of encounters be &quot;overwhelming&quot;, meaning an EL of 5 or more above average PC level. Your DM not only did nothing wrong, he's applying the guidelines as written. (And neither do I subscribe to the notion that the DM must give the players warning that an encounter is too tough for them. It's no bad thing to give a warning, but it absolutely is not required.)The real question is this, though: were you having fun? If you were, then you'll want to patch things up with your DM, create new characters, and get started on a new campaign. This is an opportunity to try out a different PC concept - take it!If you weren't having fun, or if this TPK has soured you on playing with this DM in future, then I suggest you find a new DM to run your next campaign. If it ain't fun, don't play it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="delericho, post: 6146202, member: 22424"] According to the 3.5e DMG, it is recommended that 5% of encounters be "overwhelming", meaning an EL of 5 or more above average PC level. Your DM not only did nothing wrong, he's applying the guidelines as written. (And neither do I subscribe to the notion that the DM [i]must[/i] give the players warning that an encounter is too tough for them. It's no bad thing to give a warning, but it absolutely is not required.) The real question is this, though: were you having fun? If you were, then you'll want to patch things up with your DM, create new characters, and get started on a new campaign. This is an opportunity to try out a different PC concept - take it! If you weren't having fun, or if this TPK has soured you on playing with this DM in future, then I suggest you find a new DM to run your next campaign. If it ain't fun, don't play it. [/QUOTE]

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