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<blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 6146593" data-attributes="member: 18701">When a person DMs, they can't possibly think of every situation and cater to the players exactly the way they expect to be catered to. My point is, it's very likely that it never even crossed your DMs mind that this 188th encounter is different all of a sudden and that he needs to warn you guys in any other way besides in-game clues. When things don't go a players way, their first reaction is always to blame the DM and complain that the DM should have done this or that. Players put this kind of expectation on DMs way too often.I'll bet money on it that if you had overcome that encounter (by fleeing, surrendering &amp; escaping, or getting lucky &amp; killing them), you never would have even thought that the DM needed to warn you about his &quot;style changing&quot;. You would have chalked it up as being the same as all of the other tough encounters.I know you keep saying you are being neutral, or that yer not upset/angry, but man, all you have done is blame the DM and come up with excuses for why it isn't your groups fault. Maybe you don't realize that is what you're doing? Whenever someone has put the blame on you guys (and I blame you guys), you have a reason why it isn't your fault. But when someone has criticized the DM, you are in complete agreement. You have stated multiple times that the DM should have warned you (which he did but you won't acknowledge that). So you're blaming him by saying he should have handled it a better way. Then in your next post, you say you don't blame the DM. The only time you have blamed the players is by saying, &quot;We stayed in character and didn't metagame.&quot; Which is not really a negative thing now is it?Anyway, in all the years I've posted on gaming forums, I don't think I have once ever seen a player or a DM admit fault when they are called out on it by fellow posters who side with the other person. I know nobody likes to be criticized, it's human nature. But geez this sort of thing gets old.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oryan77, post: 6146593, member: 18701"] When a person DMs, they can't possibly think of every situation and cater to the players exactly the way they expect to be catered to. My point is, it's very likely that it never even crossed your DMs mind that this 188th encounter is different all of a sudden and that he [B]needs[/B] to warn you guys in any other way besides in-game clues. When things don't go a players way, their first reaction is always to blame the DM and complain that the DM should have done this or that. Players put this kind of expectation on DMs way too often. I'll bet money on it that if you had overcome that encounter (by fleeing, surrendering & escaping, or getting lucky & killing them), you never would have even thought that the DM needed to warn you about his "style changing". You would have chalked it up as being the same as all of the other tough encounters. I know you keep saying you are being neutral, or that yer not upset/angry, but man, all you have done is blame the DM and come up with excuses for why it [B]isn't[/B] your groups fault. Maybe you don't realize that is what you're doing? Whenever someone has put the blame on you guys (and I blame you guys), you have a reason why it isn't your fault. But when someone has criticized the DM, you are in complete agreement. You have stated multiple times that the DM should have warned you (which he did but you won't acknowledge that). So you're blaming him by saying he should have handled it a better way. Then in your next post, you say you don't blame the DM. The only time you have blamed the players is by saying, "We stayed in character and didn't metagame." Which is not really a negative thing now is it? Anyway, in all the years I've posted on gaming forums, I don't think I have once ever seen a player or a DM admit fault when they are called out on it by fellow posters who side with the other person. I know nobody likes to be criticized, it's human nature. But geez this sort of thing gets old. [/QUOTE]

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