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Message: <blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 3278288" data-attributes="member: 16285">SeetenPlease chill out here.You seem to be placing me in the same place as KD.I resent that a lot. I mostly agree with you.I only point out that sustained actions determine alignment.  {This is something you also point out - we agree}Having an alignment determines actions.  This is the touchy point. What I mean by this is that an alignment determines the overall actions a character will take.  There can be times when a specific action doesn't fit that alignment, that won't cause an alignment shift or characer problems unless there is a code of condcut issue with it.  {I again think you are stating the same thing so we agree again}The only reason I brought up CN was that some people (I never said you) will use that as an excuse to do anything they want to. I gamed with someone whose favorite alignment was "Chaotic Neutral with evil tendecies" - hmmm was that a cope out? Was that a way to play a CE character without saying the character was CE - in my opinion it was.  That is the kind of issue that people should be wathing out for.  Not for someone who picked a personality and traits for their PC and then an alignment that matched them - heck that is pretty much perfect role-playing IMO.</blockquote>