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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Markn" data-source="post: 1901620" data-attributes="member: 21827">AlignmentRillianPA, much of your statements make sense.  However, as every character is unique, so too is the alignment adjustments you make for that character.  With the system I use, I find that some characters adjust 1 or 2 boxes in a session while others don't adjust at all.  Then the next session those same characters go back in the other direction and in the grand scheme have not moved at all.  I think much of the subjectivity of alignment views are thus nullified as you not only take into account things that go against alignment but you reward them with acts within their alignment which helps keep them where they think they are.  Again, long term data should support that it is less and less subjective because really it takes a LOT of actions (or several major actions) to switch an alignment.  By no means do I think this system is for everyone.  Player - DM trust is important and although our alignment views differ from player to player and in some cases there is a massive difference in opinion, our group has accepted the current system.  In fact, most cases when alignment changes have occured the rest of the group have noticed the transgressions and can pretty much guess that it happened.   I suppose a case could be made that if it is just the DM that sees it then there needs to be a discussion between the group and the players.The other thing to mention is that alignment in 3.5 is the most abstract it has ever been.  There are no penalties in the rules for changing alignment (other than clerics and paladins and the like).  It forces a player to actually roleplay an alignment change if they want one...they actively have to work towards it.  There is no 'I decided I want to be Chaotic Good instead of being Lawful Good'.  This change isn't instantaneous in the game (or at least shouldn't be) nor is it in real life.  Think about your views now as opposed to 2 years ago on what is right and wrong, things you did then vs. things you do now or even the reasons you did things vs. those reasons now.  Peoples perceptions of things change and it is a result of things you have done in the past or things that have been done to you.  The same premise appllies to a character and it is the long term that counts.  Not the basis of 1 or 2 things.  Ultimately, your alignment is really how others percieve you and not how you percieve yourself.  Some may disagree with this statement and thats ok.  Just be aware that those 2 perceptions are very different.  The best you can do as a player is explain your motivations to the DM and from there the DM decides if it is out of alignment or not.Having said all this it really is up to every group to decide how they will adjudicate alignment actions.  Maybe a DM should tell the player that he is on the verge of changing alignment.  Maybe he shouldn't.  That really is for everyone to decide.</blockquote>

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