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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1352228" data-attributes="member: 5777">I am not sure if you are trying to be insulting or not by putting words in my mouth, but I do wish you would avoid it if possible.Out of the realm of possibilities of level one characters is NOT, I repeat NOT, the same as making it impossible in any way, shape, or form. Those 10th level characters have some skill bonus (probably up to around +20), changing the dc to be 35 (dc 20 base, plus whatever modifiers are there. well traveled, lack of blah, other blahs, etc) is appropriate, not nerfing.Again, who cares about the bbeg? I have asked this several times, look at it from the pc's point of view. If they were trying to escape in such a way what would they expect? Would they expect to not have any chance what-so-ever? or not? They do happen to have skills too.. sometimes the badguys have skills! gasp! or even a contigency plan. If there are 30 doors and 7 of them lead outside more or less guessing isnt helpful.The spell references were unnecissary because they do not address the issue at all.</blockquote>