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Message: <blockquote data-quote="willpax" data-source="post: 627998" data-attributes="member: 1602">I share the joy of the NPC classes, and don't see this variation (if I ever actually use it) as a substitute for that. My primary focus was to provide a bit more depth for some of the longer-lived races. I've always wondered what elves have been doing for 90 years that makes them the equal of a 16 year old. To that extent, I'm not as interested in balance so much as I am some campaign-specific flavor (being non-human in my campaign carries with it much other baggage). I've also been thinking about ways to increase everyday skills without increasing combat ability--this would be more useful for NPCs, obviously. Personally, spot, listen, and other useful "pressure" skills would never be on my list of skills that could be chosen. I think anything outside of craft, profession, and knowledge would be an exception (I probably would also not allow people to learn specialized knowledges such as magic because it isn't an "everyday" sort of thing). With those limitations (combined with the four rank limit), I don't see this as something that would enable someone to min-max. As far as taking a few levels of expert: I find that to be much more acceptable if you start the characters at greater than first level. If someone wants to be a dwarf warrior, I think it would limit the fun to have to slog through the first 14 encounters with an expert BAB all in the name of "most dwarves know something about mining or smithing."</blockquote>

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