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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 4914804" data-attributes="member: 141">I hadn't realized that 4E "flattened" all the saves the way they did. I suppose it is not so bad if most characters have good Fort and Will and poor Reflex.  Although classes which have access to Evasion would have an incentive to get good Reflex saves.  OK, I'm happy with the saves, now. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />---------------A random idea: How about a magic item which improves the character's lowest saving throw?  I'm thinking that a +2 to one save should cost about the same as +1 to all three.  ---------------I like what you did with Gather Information: make it so that players can use any skill whose application they can justify (Persuasion, Profession, Intimidate, etc.).  Gather information is special in that the benefits can be divided among the group- everybody potentially can find a different tidbit of information. I think to encourage skill diversity it is important to have skills which no more than one or two PC's need to possess.  Not everybody needs to know how to track as long as somebody does.  I think that my concern about skill monotony might have been overblown.  Props to you.--------------Actually, I was thinking mostly of the PC's own buffs.  If the wizard loses the magic circle against evil or mind blank hours before it was due to run out, he should be able to cast it again.  But if he doesn't, he shouldn't.  Otherwise he'll have six copies of the spell and be down only one slot.You are right that I "want to keep the refreshing of the caster's spell slots tied to the caster's rests, and not have to keep track of where all his targets are and whether they are resting or not."  I'm not sure what's awkward about it.  Could you expand on this, please?Yeah, I guess there has to be something to prevent the spellcaster from going nova at every encounter, and restrictions to the asymmetric attacks have to be part of the solution.  I guess I have trouble drawing the line between spells like magic missile, which are rote despite affecting multiple targets, and spells like fireball, which are restricted.  Where does scorching ray lie?  I guess since its total effectiveness is constant it is like magic missile.  Am I right?  It sounds like you are trying to say "let's agree to disagree." <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm    :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /> I don't think this watered down rest prevents the 10 minute adventuring day.  Let me think about this- I may eventually persuade myself that you are right.</blockquote>

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