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<blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 4925282" data-attributes="member: 141">Well, a 1st level spell is worth more at 1st level than it is at 9th level.&nbsp; :shrugs:I'm interested in the various tidbits that you drop- like not allowing Natural Spell. I want to hear more about things like that. A design column on &quot;hard limits&quot; vs &quot;soft limits&quot; vs &quot;flavor limits&quot; might be helpful.&nbsp; Flavor limits are things like restrictions on the multiclassing of monks or paladins- not necessary for game balance, but still something that can enrich the game.Soft limits are limits that can be broken with feats or spells or prestige classes. Or AP for that matter- things you can't normally do, except when you can.Hard limits are things that are deeply imbedded in the game, and things get messed up when they are tinkered with.&nbsp; Either that or they would be much more expensive to remove than would seem reasonable at first glance.&nbsp; Things like the specialist prohibited school.&nbsp; Or Natural Spell.&nbsp; Maybe others.&nbsp; There's a feat that allows a bard to disguise their spells in their performances.&nbsp; Is that a soft limit or a hard limit?Intuitively it seemed to me that a feat could unlock a prohibited school. Or maybe unlock it for a pathfinder two-for-one exchange.&nbsp; But that was me being dumb- that prohibited school is actually worth five feats, not one.&nbsp; And who knows what a pathfinder option should be priced at?&nbsp; I don't even know if it makes sense to go down that road and *try* to price such things.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cheiromancer, post: 4925282, member: 141"] Well, a 1st level spell is worth more at 1st level than it is at 9th level. :shrugs: I'm interested in the various tidbits that you drop- like not allowing Natural Spell. I want to hear more about things like that. A design column on "hard limits" vs "soft limits" vs "flavor limits" might be helpful. Flavor limits are things like restrictions on the multiclassing of monks or paladins- not necessary for game balance, but still something that can enrich the game. Soft limits are limits that can be broken with feats or spells or prestige classes. Or AP for that matter- things you can't normally do, except when you can. Hard limits are things that are deeply imbedded in the game, and things get messed up when they are tinkered with. Either that or they would be much more expensive to remove than would seem reasonable at first glance. Things like the specialist prohibited school. Or Natural Spell. Maybe others. There's a feat that allows a bard to disguise their spells in their performances. Is that a soft limit or a hard limit? Intuitively it seemed to me that a feat could unlock a prohibited school. Or maybe unlock it for a pathfinder two-for-one exchange. But that was me being dumb- that prohibited school is actually worth five feats, not one. And who knows what a pathfinder option should be priced at? I don't even know if it makes sense to go down that road and *try* to price such things. [/QUOTE]

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