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<blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 6019725" data-attributes="member: 1165"><p>Epic story, but in D&D this would be reflected with higher numbers. He has a higher attack bonus and/or range (increment), letting him hit targets very far away. He does high damage too. That's... about it.</p><p></p><p>that kind of story would get boring if it kept happening.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't agree with this one. If a fighter has loads of natural fighting talent but poor mental stats he shouldn't ever be commanding anything.</p><p></p><p>I like to use Three Kingdoms as an example. Many of the greatest warriors were in theory military officers. The biggest badass of the early part of the series, Lu Bu, held the rank-equivalent of major. However, Lu Bu was practically a moron, and on a battlefield, he was dangerous because <strong>he was dangerous</strong>, not because he was a good leader. He ended up leading a faction which got curb-stomped by the much more intelligent warlord, Cao Cao, even though Lu Bu could probably kill Cao Cao with one of his fingers.</p><p></p><p>Speaking of which, while Cao Cao could fight with a sword or an axe, anytime he ran into a big name champion he ran away. Why wouldn't he? His mind was much sharper than his sword. I'm not seeing fighting prowess correlating at all with leadership abilities.</p><p></p><p>Of course, there were quite a few good warriors <strong>and</strong> commanders. These tended to be the most famous, but were also very rare.</p><p></p><p>Because Chinese feudalism seemed to work much like European feudalism in those days, pretty much every great warrior became a feudal lord and got at least a small army. Even Xu Zhu became a noble, but he was just Cao Cao's bodyguard (he technically led Cao Cao's bodyguard unit), occasionally rushing forward and slaying enemy officers when Cao Cao seemed safe.</p><p></p><p>For something more inclusive than 4e's warlord, you might want to look at the Book of Nine Swords as a better inspiration. The warblade could be a leader if they took the higher mental stats (flavor text only, IIRC) and the White Raven techniques. However, they might take a completely different set of techniques, be the most badass warrior on the battlefield, and stay away from the command tent. The only real problem I had with Bo9S were the abilities seemed too "magical", although at least a subset of them could be reflavored to be "martial" instead.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="(Psi)SeveredHead, post: 6019725, member: 1165"] Epic story, but in D&D this would be reflected with higher numbers. He has a higher attack bonus and/or range (increment), letting him hit targets very far away. He does high damage too. That's... about it. that kind of story would get boring if it kept happening. I don't agree with this one. If a fighter has loads of natural fighting talent but poor mental stats he shouldn't ever be commanding anything. I like to use Three Kingdoms as an example. Many of the greatest warriors were in theory military officers. The biggest badass of the early part of the series, Lu Bu, held the rank-equivalent of major. However, Lu Bu was practically a moron, and on a battlefield, he was dangerous because [b]he was dangerous[/b], not because he was a good leader. He ended up leading a faction which got curb-stomped by the much more intelligent warlord, Cao Cao, even though Lu Bu could probably kill Cao Cao with one of his fingers. Speaking of which, while Cao Cao could fight with a sword or an axe, anytime he ran into a big name champion he ran away. Why wouldn't he? His mind was much sharper than his sword. I'm not seeing fighting prowess correlating at all with leadership abilities. Of course, there were quite a few good warriors [b]and[/b] commanders. These tended to be the most famous, but were also very rare. Because Chinese feudalism seemed to work much like European feudalism in those days, pretty much every great warrior became a feudal lord and got at least a small army. Even Xu Zhu became a noble, but he was just Cao Cao's bodyguard (he technically led Cao Cao's bodyguard unit), occasionally rushing forward and slaying enemy officers when Cao Cao seemed safe. For something more inclusive than 4e's warlord, you might want to look at the Book of Nine Swords as a better inspiration. The warblade could be a leader if they took the higher mental stats (flavor text only, IIRC) and the White Raven techniques. However, they might take a completely different set of techniques, be the most badass warrior on the battlefield, and stay away from the command tent. The only real problem I had with Bo9S were the abilities seemed too "magical", although at least a subset of them could be reflavored to be "martial" instead. [/QUOTE]
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