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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9630914" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I would say there are settings which have at least attempted to think about things like that. Taladas comes to mind - the cultures there are much more based in history or what I'd call more "full on" fantasy, rather than the restrained "basically 20th century Western values and concepts" of most settings.</p><p></p><p>Taladas was the first place I saw trans people mentioned as part of a culture - the largest and most successful steppe nomad culture (which is mix of elves, half-elves and humans for the most part) allows people to simply decide they're a different gender. They then have to abide by the social norms of that culture for that gender, but it is actually a thing (it's also not treated as "funny" or "silly" by the setting, unusual for 1990 I think). In general Taladas makes a much, much larger effort to make the cultures into cultures (c.f. the language tree I posted a few weeks ago) than is typical in fantasy settings. It is helped in this by the fact that where they do draw from real-world cultures, they're generally less-familiar ones - i.e. particularly ones that existed from 350 AD to about 700 AD (and as noted there are some pure fantasy ones too, like the sailors on the sea of glass, or the huldrefolk). The cultures aren't given alignments or anything cheesy like that either - the only one which really immediately seems like a "bad guy" culture out-and-out is approximately "What if the Eastern Roman Empire (aka Byzantium) was run by Necromancers?".</p><p></p><p>(This isn't to suggest Taladas doesn't have problematic elements, it is from 1989/1990 after all)</p><p></p><p>So I don't think it's as far-fetched and unreasonable to suggest such settings could/do exist as you're saying. I think it's also helpful to recognise that not all settings are "the 20th/21st century in a Ren Faire outfit" (even if they majority are).</p><p></p><p>That said I agree with what you're saying overall, and yeah language will change, as will how upset people get about stuff, hopefully for the better despite what is happening currently.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9630914, member: 18"] I would say there are settings which have at least attempted to think about things like that. Taladas comes to mind - the cultures there are much more based in history or what I'd call more "full on" fantasy, rather than the restrained "basically 20th century Western values and concepts" of most settings. Taladas was the first place I saw trans people mentioned as part of a culture - the largest and most successful steppe nomad culture (which is mix of elves, half-elves and humans for the most part) allows people to simply decide they're a different gender. They then have to abide by the social norms of that culture for that gender, but it is actually a thing (it's also not treated as "funny" or "silly" by the setting, unusual for 1990 I think). In general Taladas makes a much, much larger effort to make the cultures into cultures (c.f. the language tree I posted a few weeks ago) than is typical in fantasy settings. It is helped in this by the fact that where they do draw from real-world cultures, they're generally less-familiar ones - i.e. particularly ones that existed from 350 AD to about 700 AD (and as noted there are some pure fantasy ones too, like the sailors on the sea of glass, or the huldrefolk). The cultures aren't given alignments or anything cheesy like that either - the only one which really immediately seems like a "bad guy" culture out-and-out is approximately "What if the Eastern Roman Empire (aka Byzantium) was run by Necromancers?". (This isn't to suggest Taladas doesn't have problematic elements, it is from 1989/1990 after all) So I don't think it's as far-fetched and unreasonable to suggest such settings could/do exist as you're saying. I think it's also helpful to recognise that not all settings are "the 20th/21st century in a Ren Faire outfit" (even if they majority are). That said I agree with what you're saying overall, and yeah language will change, as will how upset people get about stuff, hopefully for the better despite what is happening currently. [/QUOTE]
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