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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zerakon" data-source="post: 4316926" data-attributes="member: 12921">Mike000:If you want to argue that the rogue doesn't have to roll to disable that trap, that's cool for your campaign. I interpret the trap itself as being an encounter, so I'm going to have my rogue roll. I know my players and know that they have fun rolling the old d20s and letting there be a chance of failure. I interpret the rules as supporting my argument, as the trap is worth Experience Points thus it is an encounter and Take 10 says you can't be in an encounter. But I do think the Take 10 rules could have been clearer.As far as whether he should be fighting or disabling in this particular case: sure, if you're fighting things that you can push into pendulums, go for it. But what if you're fighting incorporeal stuff that isn't affected by the trap. And really, I'm talking about a general problem here (the skill challenge method for trap disabling), not just this one specific trap.I think the people who are saying "it's okay for the dabbler to be worse than the specialist" are missing the point of the dramatic shift in the math regarding success vs. failure. I say it's too dramatic of a swing for my campaign and not fun to watch the rogue fail way more than he succeeds at such things. I think the 4e design is excellent overall, but I still conclude that they goofed with the math of skill challenges, and moreso by applying skill challenge mechanics to traps. At least non-thievery skill challenges will produce an interesting failure.</blockquote>

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