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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4843703" data-attributes="member: 35909">Yeah, ask the DM to make trapfinding a feat.  Also, if you're doing a human or "human-blooded" character, the feat Able Learner from Races of Destiny allows you to pay for cross-class skills at the class skill rate.  From there...if you find just one prestige class out there with Search and Disable Device as class skills and that advances caster level at least at level 1, you could eventually have full class ranks (CL +3) in both, and for no additional cost beyond what a rogue would pay.  Once any of your classes has a skill on its list, you can fill it up to the the "in class" maximum of level +3.  It's just, any level you're adding skill points that it isn't on the list of the class you advanced, you have ot pay for it as a cross-class skill.  Note Able Learner would then negate that, giving you what you wanted all along. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />A much less complicated route: there are feats in dragon magazine and listed on crystalkeep.com that let you choose 1 or 2 skills to add to a class's list.  I think there's also a feat for hat in UA.  If your DM allows those, it's certainly less complex than the former method. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />As for the face-rogue, he should see if the DM would allow changelings from eberron, or at least allow him to take their racial sub. levels from races of eberron.  The level 1 one trades trapfinding for some very nice social skill abilities.  (And the sub level also increases skill points to 10 + int, which would be multiplied at level 1...no comment on that.)</blockquote>

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