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Message: <blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 4673935" data-attributes="member: 16285">So I guess the real solution is to then bump up the DC of magic and complex traps to the point that a rogue must place a huge amount of skill ppoints into the skill, thus preventing placing them into Move Silently, Hide, Listen, etc. so that they can do what the class was designed to do better than anyone else - find and remove traps. I mean if anyone can do it (and you can take 20 on a Search check by the way - so pretty much anyone would be able to find said traps with a few ranks or hig Int Mod).How many people play a rogue only for that reason? I have never seen one. I have seen people play rogues because they want to be real good at that though. Most traps can be survived by the party when properly laid out by approriate CR in the first place. Well those with d4 hit points always have trouble with anything dealing damage but they have other means to find and avoid those things in the first place. Spells work real well - acquire a wand and you don't even have to have the spell memorized or know it.There are many ways to locate and bypass traps with high DCs - rogues can do it more efficiently which is the point of that trapfinding ability in the first place.Any character can heal other party memebers, clerics do it more efficiently.Any character can do damage to an opponent, warrior types (fighters and barbarians) can do it more efficiently.And so on.Why not bring up the bardic knowledge issue then? Why give a class an ability that can mostly be done via regular skill checks or a general Intelligence check (can be used on any Knowledge skill to find out general information).And as I pointed out there are many other ways to find/disable traps other than the trapfinding ability - so it is not an "only rogues can possibly do this" thing - it is more along the lines of "because of this, rogues are more efficient at this than others".</blockquote>

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