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<blockquote data-quote="slaughterj" data-source="post: 6750205" data-attributes="member: 5341"><p>I'm not desirous of getting off-subject in this thread, so I'll just make the following comments about this subject.&nbsp; Rolling a group check *may* work for a group of Orcs spotting Hobbits, but it doesn't work well with a group of PCs with varying Perceptions getting ambushed by foes.&nbsp; I don't know how you would even roll, just one die for the whole party, and each apply a separate modifier?&nbsp; If you roll separately, nothing is hidden.&nbsp; Group check for the foes' stealth is necessary though (which is likely more uniform), else someone inevitably will roll low, and again, nothing would ever be hidden.&nbsp; But getting into groups makes it all more complex (more people maybe should spot foes more easily, but maybe they distract each other, and more people in an ambush group should be harder to hide, etc.), but passive Perception helps avoid the issue of too much rolling making hiding impossible.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="slaughterj, post: 6750205, member: 5341"] I'm not desirous of getting off-subject in this thread, so I'll just make the following comments about this subject. Rolling a group check *may* work for a group of Orcs spotting Hobbits, but it doesn't work well with a group of PCs with varying Perceptions getting ambushed by foes. I don't know how you would even roll, just one die for the whole party, and each apply a separate modifier? If you roll separately, nothing is hidden. Group check for the foes' stealth is necessary though (which is likely more uniform), else someone inevitably will roll low, and again, nothing would ever be hidden. But getting into groups makes it all more complex (more people maybe should spot foes more easily, but maybe they distract each other, and more people in an ambush group should be harder to hide, etc.), but passive Perception helps avoid the issue of too much rolling making hiding impossible. [/QUOTE]

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