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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Evilhalfling" data-source="post: 2474261" data-attributes="member: 16991">Some of the arguments above presume that you keep track of you thief's exact skill numbers. Yeah right. The trap finder in my group is a 5throgue/1st Ftr/1stWizard with a 20 Int and about a dozen knowledge skills.  I use traps seldomly - its prolly been 6 sessions since there was a trap that was more than a natural occurance (easy to find if you were looking) I had no idea that he had something on the order of +16. My elaborate numberd floor pannel /puzzle trap should have been a walk in the park - even without taking 20.  Luckly the party decieded to logic it out- and failed miserably, taking lots of crossbow bolts before finally deciding to just methodically disable each floor panel.  The thief is a loremaster, face, and scout, he rarely feels underutalizeded due to my lack of traps.</blockquote>