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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 3746307" data-attributes="member: 1465">That depends on the players' style... In the games I've played traps are actually too fast for my tastes. A saving throw or 2 skill checks and that's it.If the problem is paranoid PCs that check every 5ft square of ground, then the DM can help them getting rid of their bad habit in a few ways: first, avoiding random placement of traps (put them only where it makes very sense to have a trap); second, remember that a trap doesn't need to be hidden to be a threat. If the purpose of the trap is to block, it doesn't need to be hidden.But these issues are IMO quite edition-free. What 4e could do as an improvement (for my tastes) would be for example to make traps more complicated to beat than with a single skill check. Also, Rogues could have an "auto-spot" chance like elves with secret doors, that would take some paranoia away.</blockquote>