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Message: <blockquote data-quote="washout" data-source="post: 4483923" data-attributes="member: 74225">Yeah you are not really taking the opportunity to it's full potential here. If all you do is a full frontal assault then this is how it would turn out for sure, but there are so many devils that they wouldn't make it past the first layer if they do things that way. The only practical way to get any further is to bargain with favors or just get a guide of some sort. There are many who would profit just by shouting information from afar to the PC's on which direction they should take on the journey. You are seriously underestimating the amount of infighting that goes on. The devils are all looking at each other for places to advance and be promoted so anything they can do to advance their own position is fair play to them. So even if they can just get the party down there to actually help free this cleric the "guide" (heck not even a devil could be another epic level mortal or demigod) may be able to gain power from that devils enemies and gain a better position or promotion. Heck even a daemon may be willing to sell them information or advice since it knows that they will be fighting the devils. You can easily talk your way through the various areas, hell does not have to be instant attack and then a running battle. And even if a large battle springs up someone nearby is very likely to take notice and attack that force from behind seeing some advantage to be had in the further expansion of territory. Also the gods are so far above even epic level PC's that it's not funny. Someone like tiamat wouldn't get involved unless they were in her territory. Leaving her own territory just invites attack, she may send a representative or an avatar though, or one may just be passing through. And those can be imbued with a great deal of individual power. If you read deities and demigods a bit and see what kinds of powers they weild there would be little reason for them to care about some epic level adventurers tromping through to the lower layers.  However if you really do just want a big running battle then why not run a short starter beforehand and make them all into demigods or lesser gods so that they are on an even keel with some of these powers and then they really would attract that kind of attention and be able to have fun and return it in kind. You could really expand it to a bigger scope and get it out of epic level territory. I can only imagine the fun that a fighter would have being able to at-will cast all of his domain spell picks against hordes of devils.</blockquote>

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