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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8712866" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>I would call most of those things simply straightforward technology and not particularly 'transhumanist' in nature, though I understand that you can imagine some of them going in that direction.</p><p></p><p>Mmmm, there are likely to be implications of all this that are so unanticipated today as to make much of it irrelevant or simply unneeded or unwanted in the actual future. Its not to say that there is any given element of 'transhumanist futurism' that might not come to pass, but if the past of the future is any guide, the sort of vision of tomorrow that something like 'Eclipse Phase' imagines is probably not even going to be slightly like the real one. And the real one will likely be rather more familiar. Just like cars and aircraft and telecom would astound medieval people, but they'd be perfectly at home understand our politics and such, and many of the nations of today would be entirely recognizable to them.</p><p></p><p>Are they? I think they may become technically feasible, there are a lot of technically feasible things that are not on battlefields today, and never will be.</p><p></p><p>I don't necessarily agree. Many technical things are POSSIBLE and many of them do not exist, and never will exist, save as perhaps an experiment or a prototype. You take the inevitable advance of technology, seen through the optimistic engineer's lens, and mistake it for some kind of law of nature. It is not.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, there were various articles in several places, though I can't really remember particulars outlining things like cybernetics. As I said before, not so much 'not well fleshed out', though perhaps that too, but just not really integrated into the greater game.</p><p></p><p>Well, core CT predates cyberpunk as a style, though not by much. There was of course transhumanist stuff. I think Arsen Darnay wrote some fairly interesting stuff back in the late 60's for instance. Heck, a good bit of classic SF is really transhumanist. I mean, the granddaddy of all that stuff is Stapleton's Odd John, and that's going back to prewar. Even Ralph 124C41+ contains transhumanist elements.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8712866, member: 82106"] I would call most of those things simply straightforward technology and not particularly 'transhumanist' in nature, though I understand that you can imagine some of them going in that direction. Mmmm, there are likely to be implications of all this that are so unanticipated today as to make much of it irrelevant or simply unneeded or unwanted in the actual future. Its not to say that there is any given element of 'transhumanist futurism' that might not come to pass, but if the past of the future is any guide, the sort of vision of tomorrow that something like 'Eclipse Phase' imagines is probably not even going to be slightly like the real one. And the real one will likely be rather more familiar. Just like cars and aircraft and telecom would astound medieval people, but they'd be perfectly at home understand our politics and such, and many of the nations of today would be entirely recognizable to them. Are they? I think they may become technically feasible, there are a lot of technically feasible things that are not on battlefields today, and never will be. I don't necessarily agree. Many technical things are POSSIBLE and many of them do not exist, and never will exist, save as perhaps an experiment or a prototype. You take the inevitable advance of technology, seen through the optimistic engineer's lens, and mistake it for some kind of law of nature. It is not. Anyway, there were various articles in several places, though I can't really remember particulars outlining things like cybernetics. As I said before, not so much 'not well fleshed out', though perhaps that too, but just not really integrated into the greater game. Well, core CT predates cyberpunk as a style, though not by much. There was of course transhumanist stuff. I think Arsen Darnay wrote some fairly interesting stuff back in the late 60's for instance. Heck, a good bit of classic SF is really transhumanist. I mean, the granddaddy of all that stuff is Stapleton's Odd John, and that's going back to prewar. Even Ralph 124C41+ contains transhumanist elements. [/QUOTE]
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