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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6639283" data-attributes="member: 177">Oh?&nbsp; Read a sonnet that moves you.&nbsp; One that reveals an emotional truth that sits close to the human heart.&nbsp; That's what math does, but for the physical universe.Math was not placed by nature/god.&nbsp; Math is merely how we express what *was* placed by nature/god.&nbsp;&nbsp; We just happen to have stumbled upon a *REALLY GOOD* form of expression, for things that are actually pretty simple, though much of it is outside our everyday experience.This, as compared to the human heart, which is very complex, but solidly within our everyday experience.&nbsp; Far harder to express it in fullness.&quot;There must be this much dark matter in the universe... to explain the observed motion of stars in galaxies,&quot; is the full statementNope.&nbsp; By no means does all math follow observation.That is a common approach, yes.&nbsp; But it is not the only one.&nbsp; It was not how Einstein did Special and General Relativity, for example.&nbsp; In the case of relativity, Einstein started with a thought (&quot;What of the speed of light was really constant?&quot;) and he worked out what were the logical consequences of that.&nbsp; Experiment has then verified that his work is an accurate model to pretty darned high precision.&nbsp; This model even predicts effects that we hadn't seen or considered before he published.&nbsp; In fact, pretty much all the effects his model predicts that we have been able to measure, have come true!&nbsp; Large sections of quantum mechanics also predated observations of the effects they predicted/explained.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6639283, member: 177"] Oh? Read a sonnet that moves you. One that reveals an emotional truth that sits close to the human heart. That's what math does, but for the physical universe. Math was not placed by nature/god. Math is merely how we express what *was* placed by nature/god. We just happen to have stumbled upon a *REALLY GOOD* form of expression, for things that are actually pretty simple, though much of it is outside our everyday experience. This, as compared to the human heart, which is very complex, but solidly within our everyday experience. Far harder to express it in fullness. "There must be this much dark matter in the universe... to explain the observed motion of stars in galaxies," is the full statement Nope. By no means does all math follow observation. That is a common approach, yes. But it is not the only one. It was not how Einstein did Special and General Relativity, for example. In the case of relativity, Einstein started with a thought ("What of the speed of light was really constant?") and he worked out what were the logical consequences of that. Experiment has then verified that his work is an accurate model to pretty darned high precision. This model even predicts effects that we hadn't seen or considered before he published. In fact, pretty much all the effects his model predicts that we have been able to measure, have come true! Large sections of quantum mechanics also predated observations of the effects they predicted/explained. [/QUOTE]

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