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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LarenF3D5" data-source="post: 6803721" data-attributes="member: 6811642">I'm not by any means saying the Bladesinger is equivalent to a paladin overall. I more mean to say if you need a full wizard in your party and want to melee you can do so successfully and that Bladesinger itself doesn't really make any gains by dipping into other classes. Granted, I'm not a fan of 5th multiclassing overall. My party will already have a Paladin (vengeance specifically), so my Bladesinger will also have that aura. I'll keep notes and see how they perform near each other. I don't really buy that other Wizard types are stronger or can do more, different sure, but I don't quite agree with more. Diviners replacing two rolls per day is nice, but hardly game breaking, and Evokers kind of bore me. I wanted Conjurer to rock, but there just aren't a lot of great conjuration options IMO.And again, Paladins can do crazy spike damage for a few rounds. My proposed build is conservative base using 1 spell slot per encounter. There's the potential for absorb elements spike damage (which you could push yourself by standing near your orb if you're crazy).Also assuming similar build priorities (STR>CHA>CON) for a Paladin the paladin will have 4+level*2 more hp than the wizard (unless hill dwarf, or dumping cha for con). It's definitely a difference, especially at early levels, but it normalizes over time to being basically irrelevant. And hopefully if there's both a paladin and a weird looking Wizard in melee the paladin will eat attacks first.I have to politely disagree that my math is wrong. According to how the dice actually work and computing averages from those numbers:Normal d6 - range 1-6 = 1+2+3+4+5+6 = 21 / number in range (6) = 21/6 = 3.5 averageAffinity d6 - range 2-6 = 2+3+4+5+6 = 20 / number in range (5) = 20/4 = 4.0 averageNormal d8 - range 1-8 = 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8 = 36 / number in range (8) = 36/8 = 4.5 averageAffinity d8- range 2-8 = 2+3+4+5+6+7+8 = 35 / number in range (7) = 35/7 = 5 averageI think overall mathematically you're likely correct, but as far as how dice actually fall my math is correct.</blockquote>

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