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<blockquote data-quote="Gadget" data-source="post: 7091879" data-attributes="member: 23716"><p>I'm not at all sure I would count "interacting" with the phantasm as an investigation check like I would with the <em>Minor/Silent/Major Image</em> spells. It is a phantasm after all, and only exists in the targets mind. They would need to have something happen to make them very suspicious and have to spend an action to investigate the phantasm (and succeed on an Int check) to free themselves. As such I really don't agree at all with TreantMonk's assessment. It is certainly not a 'two-save-before-any-effect' type spell.</p><p></p><p>Now, if we were to look at <em>Phantasmal Killer</em> and its big brother <em>Weird</em>, then the criticism applies. It's basically a single target <em>Fear</em> spell that allows the subject to save every round (thus making it worse in every way then the actual <em>Fear</em> spell a level lower) with some damage added in if the target fails two saves in a row, and more damage every round if the target continues to fail saves.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gadget, post: 7091879, member: 23716"] I'm not at all sure I would count "interacting" with the phantasm as an investigation check like I would with the [I]Minor/Silent/Major Image[/I] spells. It is a phantasm after all, and only exists in the targets mind. They would need to have something happen to make them very suspicious and have to spend an action to investigate the phantasm (and succeed on an Int check) to free themselves. As such I really don't agree at all with TreantMonk's assessment. It is certainly not a 'two-save-before-any-effect' type spell. Now, if we were to look at [I]Phantasmal Killer[/I] and its big brother [I]Weird[/I], then the criticism applies. It's basically a single target [I]Fear[/I] spell that allows the subject to save every round (thus making it worse in every way then the actual [I]Fear[/I] spell a level lower) with some damage added in if the target fails two saves in a row, and more damage every round if the target continues to fail saves. [/QUOTE]
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