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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 7265551" data-attributes="member: 71699">I'm wavering in my agreement with this. Say at level 6 our foes have between them 300 HP? If the party deals 50 per round: the combat is over in 5 rounds. Traditionally, we want to reduce the number of attacks back to the minimum so we focus on damage to reduce the number of rounds. But... what if the attacks back don't matter? Concretely, what if forcing defenses pays off more in declining the consequence of attacks back, than forcing damage to reduce rounds does?Okay. I guess I never thought about Valor Bard that way because I dislike the idea of going toe-to-toe in AC 15 (due to needing Strength for the heavy weapon). With Haste running, it approaches GWM Battlemaster damage and AC goes to 17 so that could work. It'll fall behind again at level 11, but that is after 2/3rds of its probable career after all.I think gishes are my favourite &quot;class&quot; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Although I believe a Bladelock who goes GWM is asking to die a lot, given they're using Light Armor and a Strength weapon! Maybe with the right ability array (and TBH it's a general feature of gishes that they need at least two solid ability scores).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 7265551, member: 71699"] I'm wavering in my agreement with this. Say at level 6 our foes have between them 300 HP? If the party deals 50 per round: the combat is over in 5 rounds. Traditionally, we want to reduce the number of attacks back to the minimum so we focus on damage to reduce the number of rounds. But... what if the attacks back don't matter? Concretely, what if forcing defenses pays off more in declining the consequence of attacks back, than forcing damage to reduce rounds does? Okay. I guess I never thought about Valor Bard that way because I dislike the idea of going toe-to-toe in AC 15 (due to needing Strength for the heavy weapon). With Haste running, it approaches GWM Battlemaster damage and AC goes to 17 so that could work. It'll fall behind again at level 11, but that is after 2/3rds of its probable career after all. I think gishes are my favourite "class" :) Although I believe a Bladelock who goes GWM is asking to die a lot, given they're using Light Armor and a Strength weapon! Maybe with the right ability array (and TBH it's a general feature of gishes that they need at least two solid ability scores). [/QUOTE]

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