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<blockquote data-quote="Rofel Wodring" data-source="post: 7276064" data-attributes="member: 6873189"><p>You get even better mileage continuing to target INT. Granted, there's not a lot of good mass INT disablers. But WIS saves aren't as lopsided in favor of Team Monster at the <CR 10 level and almost no monster has good CHA saves. At any rate, if you're fighting a bunch of sub-CR monsters that won't go down to two rounds of fireballs, you're better off with STR and DEX spells like Whirlwind and Transmute Rock and Reverse Gravity and Otiluke's Resilient Sphere and Black Tentacles and Watery Sphere -- it's not like CON has a bunch of effective (note the word, effective) mass disablers other than Blindness/Deafness and Sunbeam, anyway.</p><p></p><p>Unless you're fighting against a bunch of Archmages, Hobgoblin Devastators, Warpriests, specialist mages, and Archdruids (in which case attacking them with save-favorable spells might be too hard), an NPC-centric campaign is the party playing on EZ-Mode. Who cares what spells are super-effective against EZ-Mode enemies? And while a lot of spellcaster NPCs do tend to have great Intelligence and even WIS saves, they tend to have crummy STR and DEX and even CON saves. But good luck getting past the layers of Counterspell / Dispel Magic to land a spell in the first place.</p><p></p><p>No, targeting INT/DEX is still a good bet. A balor against a typical high-level wizard (DC 19, no stat tomes or save boosters) will fail an INT save about 49% of the time and a DEX save 75% even with their magic resistance.</p><p></p><p>I'm amazed that you apparently haven't noticed that this complaint and my complaint about monster design aren't related. Care to guess what the intelligence saving throw bonus of a Storm Giant is?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rofel Wodring, post: 7276064, member: 6873189"] You get even better mileage continuing to target INT. Granted, there's not a lot of good mass INT disablers. But WIS saves aren't as lopsided in favor of Team Monster at the <CR 10 level and almost no monster has good CHA saves. At any rate, if you're fighting a bunch of sub-CR monsters that won't go down to two rounds of fireballs, you're better off with STR and DEX spells like Whirlwind and Transmute Rock and Reverse Gravity and Otiluke's Resilient Sphere and Black Tentacles and Watery Sphere -- it's not like CON has a bunch of effective (note the word, effective) mass disablers other than Blindness/Deafness and Sunbeam, anyway. Unless you're fighting against a bunch of Archmages, Hobgoblin Devastators, Warpriests, specialist mages, and Archdruids (in which case attacking them with save-favorable spells might be too hard), an NPC-centric campaign is the party playing on EZ-Mode. Who cares what spells are super-effective against EZ-Mode enemies? And while a lot of spellcaster NPCs do tend to have great Intelligence and even WIS saves, they tend to have crummy STR and DEX and even CON saves. But good luck getting past the layers of Counterspell / Dispel Magic to land a spell in the first place. No, targeting INT/DEX is still a good bet. A balor against a typical high-level wizard (DC 19, no stat tomes or save boosters) will fail an INT save about 49% of the time and a DEX save 75% even with their magic resistance. I'm amazed that you apparently haven't noticed that this complaint and my complaint about monster design aren't related. Care to guess what the intelligence saving throw bonus of a Storm Giant is? [/QUOTE]
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