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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 4789843" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>In the name of improving our abilities to critique - no, this is not a plot hole.</p><p></p><p>A plot hole is not something that happens for reasons that are unstated, so that we don't understand why. A plot hole is a gap or inconsistency that <em>specifically goes against</em> the established logic, facts, or plot. </p><p></p><p>That they have to drill into the planet does not conflict with anything we know - it is specifically the established way the Red Matter works. So it isn't a plot hole. </p><p></p><p>That Spock is left on the ice planet around a different star to witness the destruction of Vulcan *is* a plot hole, as they've established that interstellar distances are large without warp drive. You cannot see planets at interstellar distances with the naked eye, and it would take years for the vision of the destruction to travel between the stars in any event.</p><p></p><p>My No-Prize solution is that he doesn't actually physically witness, but does so psionically. The rules of psi in Trek are not well established, and it is perhaps not so bad for us to think that he could somehow "feel" the death of billions of other psionically endowed individuals a few light years away. The image they show in the movie is poetic license, not the actual thing he sees with his eyes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 4789843, member: 177"] In the name of improving our abilities to critique - no, this is not a plot hole. A plot hole is not something that happens for reasons that are unstated, so that we don't understand why. A plot hole is a gap or inconsistency that [I]specifically goes against[/I] the established logic, facts, or plot. That they have to drill into the planet does not conflict with anything we know - it is specifically the established way the Red Matter works. So it isn't a plot hole. That Spock is left on the ice planet around a different star to witness the destruction of Vulcan *is* a plot hole, as they've established that interstellar distances are large without warp drive. You cannot see planets at interstellar distances with the naked eye, and it would take years for the vision of the destruction to travel between the stars in any event. My No-Prize solution is that he doesn't actually physically witness, but does so psionically. The rules of psi in Trek are not well established, and it is perhaps not so bad for us to think that he could somehow "feel" the death of billions of other psionically endowed individuals a few light years away. The image they show in the movie is poetic license, not the actual thing he sees with his eyes. [/QUOTE]
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