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<blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus" data-source="post: 1701924" data-attributes="member: 1077"><p>Not even Wizard's themselves know all the secrets of magic, I doubt a Fighter would. There are plenty of spells that are yet undiscovered.</p><p></p><p>Also, it depends in the campaign setting you are in as well. I've played in settings where it was low Magic. The highest level Wizard (in the world) was level 5, and they had a position of prestige in the bustling capitol city, far, far away. Meanwhile, me and my motley crew of adventurers just "left the farm" so to speak. We lived in a small town, practically devoid of magic. I assure you it would be unrealistic, even in a fantasy sense, that my character know even the most basic capabilities of a Wizard.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are getting hung up on the word "wizard" as a class description. If my level 10 Fighter was wondering around town and someone came up to me and asked what I did for a living, if I said "I am the greatest warrior ever" that does not mean I am a Warrior class. I just described my Fighter Class in a more general sense (as a warrior).</p><p></p><p>As I stated before, the town marshal may not be the Marshal class. The mystic shaman may not be a mystic nor a shaman. The assassin that tries to kill you may not be a prestige class assassin, but a Cleric of Nerul. And the court wizard may not actually be a Wizard at all. He could be a Sorcerer, or a Cleric, or a generic Spellcaster, or a Mystic Theruge. Heck, maybe he is a common street magician and just claims to be a Wizard. You don't know, you just blew your Sense Motive saves, remember?</p><p></p><p>But one good point you do have is, if the "court wizard" said he was going to cast Zone of Truth, you as a player will have a hunch that he *may* not be a Wizard class at all. Of course, maybe he is going to use a Miracle spell to mimic Zone of Truth. Or maybe, just maybe he took Arcane Disciple (Cleric Domain: Inquisition) and casts Zone of Truth from that as a Wizard... Guess we'll never know...</p><p></p><p>Back on point... It looks like we are split on this, yes? Some say he'd still get the save, others say he wouldn't get it because he chose to give it up and doesn't have a clue that a different spell will be cast on him...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RigaMortus, post: 1701924, member: 1077"] Not even Wizard's themselves know all the secrets of magic, I doubt a Fighter would. There are plenty of spells that are yet undiscovered. Also, it depends in the campaign setting you are in as well. I've played in settings where it was low Magic. The highest level Wizard (in the world) was level 5, and they had a position of prestige in the bustling capitol city, far, far away. Meanwhile, me and my motley crew of adventurers just "left the farm" so to speak. We lived in a small town, practically devoid of magic. I assure you it would be unrealistic, even in a fantasy sense, that my character know even the most basic capabilities of a Wizard. You are getting hung up on the word "wizard" as a class description. If my level 10 Fighter was wondering around town and someone came up to me and asked what I did for a living, if I said "I am the greatest warrior ever" that does not mean I am a Warrior class. I just described my Fighter Class in a more general sense (as a warrior). As I stated before, the town marshal may not be the Marshal class. The mystic shaman may not be a mystic nor a shaman. The assassin that tries to kill you may not be a prestige class assassin, but a Cleric of Nerul. And the court wizard may not actually be a Wizard at all. He could be a Sorcerer, or a Cleric, or a generic Spellcaster, or a Mystic Theruge. Heck, maybe he is a common street magician and just claims to be a Wizard. You don't know, you just blew your Sense Motive saves, remember? But one good point you do have is, if the "court wizard" said he was going to cast Zone of Truth, you as a player will have a hunch that he *may* not be a Wizard class at all. Of course, maybe he is going to use a Miracle spell to mimic Zone of Truth. Or maybe, just maybe he took Arcane Disciple (Cleric Domain: Inquisition) and casts Zone of Truth from that as a Wizard... Guess we'll never know... Back on point... It looks like we are split on this, yes? Some say he'd still get the save, others say he wouldn't get it because he chose to give it up and doesn't have a clue that a different spell will be cast on him... [/QUOTE]
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