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<blockquote data-quote="Vurt" data-source="post: 1048221" data-attributes="member: 1547">OK, Camarath, you have me quite confused.&nbsp; If you don't mind, I'm going to try and reiterate your argument, and try and clarify as I see it.&nbsp; Please tell me if I haven't got it right.A combatant, Tripper, and his opponent Unlucky square off.On his action, Tripper successfully trips Unlucky.&nbsp; Unlucky is now prone within Tripper's threatened space.On Unlucky's action, he stands up from prone.&nbsp; This draws an AOO from Tripper.&nbsp; You mean to say that Tripper cannot attempt to trip Unlucky with his AOO?&nbsp; Why not?What I understand you saying is that Unlucky is prone until he has successfully completed the &quot;standing up from prone&quot; maneuver, but being prone has no bearing on whether a trip attempt can be made on him.&nbsp;Also, as I understand it, you are saying that poor Unlucky suffers the penalties for being prone until such a point as he can &quot;stand up from prone&quot;, since standing is the natural (and hence, unpenalized) state.But I would counter that being prone is clearly defined in the glossary of the 3.5 PHB as &quot;Lying on the ground&quot;.&nbsp; If you are not lying on the ground, then, you are not prone, and hence do not suffer the penalties of that state.&nbsp; If one is performing the &quot;standing up from prone&quot; move-equivalent action, then one is clearly not &quot;lying on the ground&quot; and is therefore not prone.What am I missing?-- Vurt</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vurt, post: 1048221, member: 1547"] OK, Camarath, you have me quite confused. If you don't mind, I'm going to try and reiterate your argument, and try and clarify as I see it. Please tell me if I haven't got it right. A combatant, Tripper, and his opponent Unlucky square off. On his action, Tripper successfully trips Unlucky. Unlucky is now prone within Tripper's threatened space. On Unlucky's action, he stands up from prone. This draws an AOO from Tripper. You mean to say that Tripper cannot attempt to trip Unlucky with his AOO? Why not? What I understand you saying is that Unlucky is prone until he has successfully completed the "standing up from prone" maneuver, but being prone has no bearing on whether a trip attempt can be made on him. Also, as I understand it, you are saying that poor Unlucky suffers the penalties for being prone until such a point as he can "stand up from prone", since standing is the natural (and hence, unpenalized) state. But I would counter that being prone is clearly defined in the glossary of the 3.5 PHB as "Lying on the ground". If you are not lying on the ground, then, you are not prone, and hence do not suffer the penalties of that state. If one is performing the "standing up from prone" move-equivalent action, then one is clearly not "lying on the ground" and is therefore not prone. What am I missing? -- Vurt [/QUOTE]

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