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Message: <blockquote data-quote="aboyd" data-source="post: 4394979" data-attributes="member: 44797">Wow, some of that is complicated.For turning, I was merely thinking of dropping the turn check roll, and replacing it with level + charisma bonus + knowledge religion synergy (if the character has it).  The turn damage roll would remain.  So a 2nd level cleric with 14 charisma would do this:<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Roll the turn damage as usual (2d6 + bonuses).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Cap the highest hit die undead that can be turned at 4 HD (level + cha).</li> </ol>If the cleric rolled an 8 (including bonuses), then he/she could turn two 4 HD undead.  But he/she could not turn one 8 HD undead, due to the cap.This is almost exactly the same as turn undead following RAW, but removes one roll and replaces it with a reasonably fair, typically unchanging number (or at least only changes once per level).  Should be easier for players to follow and execute quickly.As for grapple and trip, I'm not quite there yet.</blockquote>